Green Party sabotage.

[Hamble]

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"Muslim group issues Starmer with demands to win back lost votes over Gaza
Campaign tells Labour leader he must commit to ‘real action’ if he wants to rebuild trust with pro-Palestinian voters

Amy Gibbons,
POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
5 May 2024 • 2:54pm
Related Topics
Labour Party, General Election 2024, Keir Starmer, Israel-Hamas War, Gaza, Palestine


A Muslim pressure group has issued Sir Keir Starmer with a list of 18 demands, including ending military ties with Israel, to win back voters who abandoned Labour over Gaza.

The Muslim Vote, a campaign to get Muslim voters to back pro-Palestine candidates, told the Labour leader that he must commit to “real action” and deliver on its requests if he is “serious” about his pledge to rebuild trust with those angered by his stance on the conflict.

As well as committing to cease all military ties with Israel, the demands include recognising Palestine as a state, pledging a travel ban on Israeli politicians involved in the war and apologising for Labour’s initial delay in calling for an immediate ceasefire.

The group warned Sir Keir that if he can’t commit to the “real policies”, its supporters will take their votes to the Green Party or Lib Dems.

It comes as Pat McFadden, Labour’s campaign chief, has acknowledged that Sir Keir’s approach to the conflict cost the party votes at the local elections.

Analysis by The Telegraph has found Labour’s support plummeted in areas with a high Muslim population, including Oldham, in Greater Manchester, where the party lost control of the council in a shock defeat.

In the West Midlands mayoral race, where Labour’s Richard Parker beat incumbent Andy Street by a wafer-thin margin, Akhmed Yakoob, an independent backed by George Galloway, syphoned off nearly 70,000 votes.

Mr McFadden told Ms Kuenssberg that if Labour wins the next general election, Palestine will be a 'very high foreign policy priority'

Sir Keir addressed the issue head-on after the result, stressing that he was determined to win back the trust of those who had snubbed his party as a result of his approach to the Gaza war.

But pressed repeatedly on what concrete pledges he would make, he was non-committal.

In a direct response to Sir Keir’s appeal, The Muslim Vote challenged him to meet 18 demands, ranging from apologising for Labour’s handling of the conflict to committing to action in government, should the party win the next elect

Other requests included pledging to remove the definition of extremism introduced by Michael Gove and issuing guidance that Muslims are allowed to pray at school.

Meanwhile on Sunday, Mr McFadden acknowledged that the Gaza row had taken a toll on Labour’s vote and admitted Sir Keir needed to win back people’s trust on the issue.

He told the BBC’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg: “I do acknowledge that in some parts of the country that was the case and there will be some people who maybe voted Labour in the past who haven’t in the local elections because of this issue, and where that’s the case, we’ll work to get people’s support back.”

‘Serious electoral consequence’
Ali Milani, the chair of the Labour Muslim Network, has warned Labour’s position on Gaza “is going to have a serious electoral consequence”, adding: “If I was a Labour MP in Bradford, Birmingham, Leicester, or parts of London or Manchester, I would be seriously concerned.”

Asked what he would say to people who took issue with Sir Keir’s handling of the situation, Mr McFadden said: “What I would say to them is that the better life that people want for the Palestinian people is something the Labour leadership shares. If we’re fortunate enough to be elected at a general election, it’s a very high foreign policy priority for the Labour Party.

“Two things have guided us all the way through since Oct 7. The first was defending Israel’s right to defend itself after that atrocity, and that remains part of our position, and the second is working to get a better future for the Palestinian people.”

Speaking in Birmingham following the West Midlands result on Saturday night, in what turned out to be an extremely tight contest, Sir Keir appealed directly to those who had jumped ship over the Gaza row.

He said: “I say directly to those who may have voted Labour in the past, but felt on this occasion they couldn’t, that across the West Midlands we are a proud and diverse community: I have heard you. I have listened.


“And I am determined to meet your concerns and to gain your respect and trust again in the future.”

Tweeting its demands in response, The Muslim Vote said: “Our asks are sophisticated and we’ve built consensus around them.

“Your sorrowful non-statements no longer cut it.

“We want real action and real policies.

“If you can’t commit to that – that’s cool. I’m sure [the Green Party or the Lib Dems] would be happy to take the votes.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eft-over-gaza/

[Toodles McGinty]

So the entire Muslim vote regarding local councils - as in the recent Green party gain - doesn't depend on how the candidate offers services, council tax spending, roads and all the other issues LAs face, but depends on what is happening in a war nothing to do with us, thousands of miles away in Gaza.

Yet this issue didn't arise with local authority votes when it came to Yemen, Darfur, Congo, China, Myanmar...?

Strange that. I want my local councillors to concentrate on local issues. I don't much care what their opinion is regarding say Sudan. I want them to sort out bin collections.

I used to have time for the Greens, when they actually bothered with 'green' issues. Now they seem to be gathering fringe candidates - a Muslim here shouting "Allahu Akbar" at the announcement of a councillor in Leeds, a male candidate declaring he's a woman in London. Each with their own agenda which doesn't actually involve councils, residents or anything else of worth to voters.

Though the conference should be interesting...

What they don't seem to understand is that if Starmer or Sunak declared they were flying to Gaza to lay down in front of Israeli tanks to force a ceasefire, those tanks would just carry on.

[Hamble]

So the entire Muslim vote regarding local councils - as in the recent Green party gain - doesn't depend on how the candidate offers services, council tax spending, roads and all the other issues LAs face, but depends on what is happening in a war nothing to do with us, thousands of miles away in Gaza.

Yet this issue didn't arise with local authority votes when it came to Yemen, Darfur, Congo, China, Myanmar...?

Strange that. I want my local councillors to concentrate on local issues. I don't much care what their opinion is regarding say Sudan. I want them to sort out bin collections.

I used to have time for the Greens, when they actually bothered with 'green' issues. Now they seem to be gathering fringe candidates - a Muslim here shouting "Allahu Akbar" at the announcement of a councillor in Leeds, a male candidate declaring he's a woman in London. Each with their own agenda which doesn't actually involve councils, residents or anything else of worth to voters.

Though the conference should be interesting...

What they don't seem to understand is that if Starmer or Sunak declared they were flying to Gaza to lay down in front of Israeli tanks to force a ceasefire, those tanks would just carry on.

If anything this constant demonising and false reporting on Israel is pushing her politics more to the right and (for me) reducing the dialogue
on Statehood for Palestine.



I hope Starmer stands firm on tolerance.
Unless he does it for Jews he cannot do it for other minority groups including Muslims.

[Toodles McGinty]

I hope Starmer stands firm on tolerance.
Unless he does it for Jews he cannot do it for other minority groups including Muslims.

I hope he does too, as you say along with other minority groups. But Jews, along with other faiths, aren't threatening to withhold their votes on the basis of religion. Or basically because they are antisemitic.

Had this outrage occurred when other conflicts across the world killed far more Muslims than in Gaza, I could see their point. But as appalled as I am at the loss of life in Palestine - I don't think anyone can fail to be moved at the plight of innocents in the area - the fact that this outrage has only surfaced against Jews has me highly sceptical.

Like the situation in the US where Jewish students are being attacked on campuses - American Jews, not Israelis - it is motivated entirely by antisemitism. Where are the protests against the Saudis?

I'd say if your religion, or your hatred of another religion, supersedes your loyalty and views on politics of your country, maybe move to a country where that is acceptable. Yet oddly, people in those countries seem desperate to leave.

In the same vein if / when Starmer becomes PM, I'd hope his loyalties to his country, and to upholding international law will take precedent over his personal situation. The current PM seems to have managed it.

[Hamble]

I hope he does too, as you say along with other minority groups. But Jews, along with other faiths, aren't threatening to withhold their votes on the basis of religion. Or basically because they are antisemitic.

Had this outrage occurred when other conflicts across the world killed far more Muslims than in Gaza, I could see their point. But as appalled as I am at the loss of life in Palestine - I don't think anyone can fail to be moved at the plight of innocents in the area - the fact that this outrage has only surfaced against Jews has me highly sceptical.

Like the situation in the US where Jewish students are being attacked on campuses - American Jews, not Israelis - it is motivated entirely by antisemitism. Where are the protests against the Saudis?

I'd say if your religion, or your hatred of another religion, supersedes your loyalty and views on politics of your country, maybe move to a country where that is acceptable. Yet oddly, people in those countries seem desperate to leave.

In the same vein if / when Starmer becomes PM, I'd hope his loyalties to his country, and to upholding international law will take precedent over his personal situation. The current PM seems to have managed it.

Exactly!
What I believe is that if one cannot reverse it (the call) don't say it!

Israeli's and Zionist's and British Jews are not calling for people to ostracise and ban goods on the basis of the sellers religion.

Reasonable people do like what China is doing to the Uyghurs
or what Muslim terrorists in any Country does no one is advocating
to cure it by racism.

[silver fox]

I hope he does too, as you say along with other minority groups. But Jews, along with other faiths, aren't threatening to withhold their votes on the basis of religion. Or basically because they are antisemitic.

Had this outrage occurred when other conflicts across the world killed far more Muslims than in Gaza, I could see their point. But as appalled as I am at the loss of life in Palestine - I don't think anyone can fail to be moved at the plight of innocents in the area - the fact that this outrage has only surfaced against Jews has me highly sceptical.

Like the situation in the US where Jewish students are being attacked on campuses - American Jews, not Israelis - it is motivated entirely by antisemitism. Where are the protests against the Saudis?

I'd say if your religion, or your hatred of another religion, supersedes your loyalty and views on politics of your country, maybe move to a country where that is acceptable. Yet oddly, people in those countries seem desperate to leave.

In the same vein if / when Starmer becomes PM, I'd hope his loyalties to his country, and to upholding international law will take precedent over his personal situation. The current PM seems to have managed it.

The real worry is when groups driven purely by religion/culture can hold governments hostage, are these people who regard themselves as British Muslims, British first or Muslim first and foremost.

I have no problem with those who wish to follow their religion, but we must never allow this country to be ruled by any religion. Remember our history shows we have been there and it wasn’t pretty nor fair, in fact it was authoritarian and ruthless.

[The PNP]

The real worry is when groups driven purely by religion/culture can hold governments hostage, are these people who regard themselves as British Muslims, British first or Muslim first and foremost.

Same sort of thing, could be said for the Zionist camp's influence on our Govt over many years. Which has traditionally manifested itself as favouring the Zionist population of Israel/Palestine, over the Palestinian population. As a (hopefully) fair-minded person, I would want to see both groups treated with equal respect.....Supplying lethal weapons to one side, whilst denying same to the other is just not on.

[Toodles McGinty]

Same sort of thing, could be said for the Zionist camp's influence on our Govt over many years. Which has traditionally manifested itself as favouring the Zionist population of Israel/Palestine, over the Palestinian population. As a (hopefully) fair-minded person, I would want to see both groups treated with equal respect.....Supplying lethal weapons to one side, whilst denying same to the other is just not on.

We can't sell arms to proscribed terrorist groups. There is no Palestinian army.

If there was, I'm sure arms companies would find a way. They aren't usually fussy. But I think you'll find Hamas has more than enough supporters in the ME to keep them in Russian and Chinese weapons.

Again, nobody seems too worried about arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

[silver fox]

Same sort of thing, could be said for the Zionist camp's influence on our Govt over many years. Which has traditionally manifested itself as favouring the Zionist population of Israel/Palestine, over the Palestinian population. As a (hopefully) fair-minded person, I would want to see both groups treated with equal respect.....Supplying lethal weapons to one side, whilst denying same to the other is just not on.

What influence has that been then?

Have never noticed any other religious grouping ordering politicians to change their ways or lose the votes of that group, religion has no part in the running of our country, just to be clear, for me that applies to ANY religion.

[The PNP]

What influence has that been then?

Have never noticed any other religious grouping ordering politicians to change their ways or lose the votes of that group, religion has no part in the running of our country, just to be clear, for me that applies to ANY religion.

I'm no student of the subject, but right from the start UK politicians were/still are, subject to influence from the Zionist camp. It stands to reason, that a party who supported the notion, would get Zionist votes and vice-versa. Otherwise, why when we'd just fought a major war in Europe to free millions of people from hostile occupation forces, would our Govt not oppose occupation of Palestine/forced displacement of an indigenous population?

[Alikado]

We can't sell arms to proscribed terrorist groups. There is no Palestinian army.

If there was, I'm sure arms companies would find a way. They aren't usually fussy. But I think you'll find Hamas has more than enough supporters in the ME to keep them in Russian and Chinese weapons.

Again, nobody seems too worried about arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

Because they've got OIL!

[Hamble]

Same sort of thing, could be said for the Zionist camp's influence on our Govt over many years. Which has traditionally manifested itself as favouring the Zionist population of Israel/Palestine, over the Palestinian population. As a (hopefully) fair-minded person, I would want to see both groups treated with equal respect.....Supplying lethal weapons to one side, whilst denying same to the other is just not on.

That is because Hamas are Terrorists.

[The PNP]

That is because Hamas are Terrorists.

Hamas may use terror tactics, but without a supply-chain of traditional military hardware, is that a surprise? Meantime, and well before Hamas even existed, the US/UK were happily supplying Israel with weapons, bombs, aircraft, missiles, nukes, etc. Surely, we must have had some idea about who they were going to use them on?

[Hamble]

I'm no student of the subject, but right from the start UK politicians were/still are, subject to influence from the Zionist camp. It stands to reason, that a party who supported the notion, would get Zionist votes and vice-versa. Otherwise, why when we'd just fought a major war in Europe to free millions of people from hostile occupation forces, would our Govt not oppose occupation of Palestine/forced displacement of an indigenous population?

Jews are indigenous to Israel.

'Zionism' comes from the geographical Mount Zion in Israel.

Palestine refused Statehood in 1948 still pursuing the racist endeavour
to destroy Israel and Jews.

Palestine is a geographical area.
Arab Palestinians have no right to pusue statehood by racism murder kidnap and rape.

[Hamble]

Hamas may use terror tactics, but without a supply-chain of traditional military hardware, is that a surprise? Meantime, and well before Hamas even existed, the US/UK were happily supplying Israel with weapons, bombs, aircraft, missiles, nukes, etc. Surely, we must have had some idea about who they were going to use them on?

?
Where have you been?

Entebbe?
Munich?


It is in the West's interest to protect against Palestinian Terrorism.