Discussion of Sports

[Toodles McGinty]

I am only thinking about the ones that affect the body to give an advantage to one over the other. Not going to think about DSDs as well. It all makes my head hurt.


When I was a kid I remember being puzzled by my parents' reaction to boys with long hair. 'You can't tell if it's a man or a woman,' was the usual complaint.To me there was no problem telling genders apart but I am starting to relate a bit now to my parents' feelings- the world is getting mighty complicated.

While I'd never dismiss anyone's right or belief in who they are (or want to be), I often wonder if there are underlying mental health issues in some cases of gender reassignment. Not all, I'd say it's perfectly possible to feel you are 'born in the wrong body'. And as one happily in the right body, it isn't an issue. But I sometimes consider there might be those who undergo irreversible surgery and find it wasn't what they wanted.

Which would be terribly sad.

I also wonder about the difficulty in children stating they wish to be the opposite gender. Do you allow a child to undergo hormonal changes before puberty, therefore changing their bodies irreversibly? Or wait for puberty to pass then develop the characteristics of the gender they don't want?

Minefield. I doubt I'd have known what to do if one of my kids declared they were misgendered. I hope I'd have been understanding and research all the possibilities. But my goodness, it must be difficult.

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I am only thinking about the ones that affect the body to give an advantage to one over the other. Not going to think about DSDs as well. It all makes my head hurt.


When I was a kid I remember being puzzled by my parents' reaction to boys with long hair. 'You can't tell if it's a man or a woman,' was the usual complaint.To me there was no problem telling genders apart but I am starting to relate a bit now to my parents' feelings- the world is getting mighty complicated.

The Google provides;

Agender. A person who is agender does not identify with any particular gender, or they may have no gender at all. ...
Androgyne. ...
Bigender. ...
Butch. ...
Cisgender. ...
Gender expansive. ...
Genderfluid. ...
Gender outlaw.


Just to start with...................there are dozens of them now.

[Toodles McGinty]

Truth is disadvantage stalks all athletes from height to weight to injury to advantage in training and funding.

At the moment Transgender competitors on the whole go late to cross over sex and have to wait 2 years to meet hormone level clearance.
Add to that operations and mental abuse I feel reluctant to support any more disadvantage to individuals.
The scrutiny on their sex authenticity is positively humiliating.

As mentioned before I would rather reward.

I think there has been scrutiny on authenticity for decades. Mainly stemming from Soviet countries pumping athletes full of God knows what.

Wasn't Princess Anne the only competitor not to have taken a test?

I'm guessing science will catch up one day. In much the way a jockey has to carry extra weights to level the playing field, they'll find a way to make the competition more even. Then hopefully the issue will be dealt with outside of the glare of the media and just become accepted.

[Hamble]

I think there has been scrutiny on authenticity for decades. Mainly stemming from Soviet countries pumping athletes full of God knows what.

Wasn't Princess Anne the only competitor not to have taken a test?

I'm guessing science will catch up one day. In much the way a jockey has to carry extra weights to level the playing field, they'll find a way to make the competition more even. Then hopefully the issue will be dealt with outside of the glare of the media and just become accepted.

True re Princess Anne in 1976.

This article is old though interesting.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...57J41820090820

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I am only thinking about the ones that affect the body to give an advantage to one over the other. Not going to think about DSDs as well. It all makes my head hurt.


When I was a kid I remember being puzzled by my parents' reaction to boys with long hair. 'You can't tell if it's a man or a woman,' was the usual complaint.To me there was no problem telling genders apart but I am starting to relate a bit now to my parents' feelings- the world is getting mighty complicated.

No-one has dared to mention, that although Hubbard entered the female weight lifting competition, the females who are the top in their field, look more masculine than Hubbard. Perhaps there is a trade off?

[Toodles McGinty]

No-one has dared to mention, that although Hubbard entered the female weight lifting competition, the females who are the top in their field, look more masculine than Hubbard. Perhaps there is a trade off?

I don't think it's because nobody has 'dared' to mention that. I think it's because it's entirely irrelevant.

Some people have advanced beyond judging women athletes on how they look. Not all, apparently.

Do you judge male athletes on how masculine or feminine they look?

[seivad]

The Google provides;

Agender. A person who is agender does not identify with any particular gender, or they may have no gender at all. ...
Androgyne. ...
Bigender. ...
Butch. ...
Cisgender. ...
Gender expansive. ...
Genderfluid. ...
Gender outlaw.


Just to start with...................there are dozens of them now.

Then there's Hidden Agender. A person who keeps their gender identity a secret.

[Kippax]

Then there's Hidden Agender. A person who keeps their gender identity a secret.

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[Little Londoner]

Some people have advanced beyond judging women athletes on how they look. Not all, apparently.

Do you judge male athletes on how masculine or feminine they look?

Not being a male heterosexual you would struggle to understand.

As for judging male athletes on their looks well I'm not homosexual so I judge on their ability and success except those using Nivea.

[Desert Region]

She's the poster girl and inspiration for people everywhere, in addition to being the most famous Hubbard in the world, usurping the founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard (everyone loves an extremist), and also relegating the beloved Old Mother Hubbard (not forgetting her dutiful old dog.)

[Desert Region]

No-one has dared to mention, that although Hubbard entered the female weight lifting competition, the females who are the top in their field, look more masculine than Hubbard. Perhaps there is a trade off?

With that rotten attitude, you'd fit in well at CCTV, China Central Television (controlled by the CCP, Chinese Communist Party).

Chinese uproar as state TV host calls gold-medal winner a ‘manly woman'





https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-a-manly-woman

[Hamble]

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Hilarious!

[joan ofarc]

While I'd never dismiss anyone's right or belief in who they are (or want to be), I often wonder if there are underlying mental health issues in some cases of gender reassignment. Not all, I'd say it's perfectly possible to feel you are 'born in the wrong body'. And as one happily in the right body, it isn't an issue. But I sometimes consider there might be those who undergo irreversible surgery and find it wasn't what they wanted.

I have wondered the same myself. I know I am getting into a minefield here but I think that the norms and expectations of society may play a part rather than classifying it as a mental illness. As I child I identified more with male figures in literature and RL although I never thought I was a boy It was more to do with recognising that men had a more exciting life, free from some of the restrictions placed on women. and more opportunities available to them. There is only a short step from that to identifying yourself as an 'other' that looks better to you than the life you are living at the moment. I read somewhere that some Native American tribes allowed boys at a certain age to decide if they wanted to go down the traditional warrior role or live more in the women's role. Either was acceptable although inevitably I suppose there was more prestige with the warrior role. I don't recall that the girls were afforded the same rights however.... probably not. Perhaps if we weren't so prescriptive in defining male and female roles in our society we could avoid some of the problems people face.
( I break off here as I have just literally used a blasphemous expletive on discovering that the soprano I was listening to in the Tokyo closing ceremony was actually a man! Case in point.)
The role some gay men assign to their behaviour seems to indicate that they want to have more feminine characteristics but to me as a woman they look like a parody of femininty. This has always puzzled me...
I'm stopping now as I feel I am getting into too deep water.
Each to his/her/their own I say but damn, life gets more complicated by the minute!

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Its amazing how easily the wokes dismiss women in their thinking.

They have been under attack for years on looks, jobs,achievements.

Stay at home mothers are abject failures and now "men" can move in on female athletes, just imagine if it was the other way round and male athletes were having to compete against some engineered female.

[Little Londoner]

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No mention of his/her weightlifting prowess just that he/she couldn't produce a presentable snatch.
The medical sculptor could have tried harder.

Meanwhile in the latest edition of the Craddock kitchen Fanny made some donuts that looked like Johnny's and Johnny made some fish cakes that tasted like Fanny's.