Donald Trump & Joe Biden

[silver fox]

I clearly put that I called him a tw3t which puts to bed your hero accusation but I stick firmly with my clever businessman assertion, his detractors including yourself should try a spell in the real world of business.

Many have had business failures.

Many inventors have had failures behind them.

Many scientists have had failed experiments and with investors and institutions' money.

Many famous racing car drivers have crashed along with people's money.

Jockeys have fell pushing too hard.

Every failure can cost money and jobs.

When Dyson invented his first Dual Cyclone vacuum cleaner, which hit stores in 1993, he spent 15 years creating 5,126 versions that failed before he made one that worked.

It's the reason we have LTD companies.

Trump isn’t an inventor or innovator of new ideas, all he has achieved is to lose most of the fortune he was left with, then moved into what are very much standard development, made his money back by not paying his bills, using corporate bankruptcies as a trading method.

It is also now becoming clear that the accounting procedures used have been suspect at best or illegal at worst, because he has allegedly acquired considerable sums of money mainly on the backs of others by various means, does not make him successful.

Hopefully in the near future we will see just how “successful” he has been.

[local]

Trump isn’t an inventor or innovator of new ideas, all he has achieved is to lose most of the fortune he was left with, then moved into what are very much standard development, made his money back by not paying his bills, using corporate bankruptcies as a trading method.

It is also now becoming clear that the accounting procedures used have been suspect at best or illegal at worst, because he has allegedly acquired considerable sums of money mainly on the backs of others by various means, does not make him successful.

Hopefully in the near future we will see just how “successful” he has been.

He hasn't lost most of the money he was left, look it up for yourself.

He is certainly an innovator and his ghastly tacky branded Trump properties is very much all Trump, thank goodness.

[silver fox]

He hasn't lost most of the money he was left, look it up for yourself.

He is certainly an innovator and his ghastly tacky branded Trump properties is very much all Trump, thank goodness.

His true wealth may soon be revealed, too many of his ventures are heavily in debt and losing money.

[local]

According to Wikipedia he is richer than me but of course much much poorer than you;




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth...43.1%20billion.


Can I have a run in your jet ?

[silver fox]

According to Wikipedia he is richer than me but of course much much poorer than you;




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth...43.1%20billion.


Can I have a run in your jet ?

Your capitalist thinking simply equates wealth or apparent wealth with success, it is more how that wealth is acquired which is the hallmark of success.

However as long as Trump has the MAGA idiots who keep throwing their hard earned at him, he will retain an income.

[Hamble]

A celebration of postrumpism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riHMRZsv3nc

[local]

Your capitalist thinking simply equates wealth or apparent wealth with success, it is more how that wealth is acquired which is the hallmark of success.

However as long as Trump has the MAGA idiots who keep throwing their hard earned at him, he will retain an income.

My capitalist thinking is borne of appreciating what it has bought our society.

Our own town is very much a product of Victorian capitalists.

Our schools, health service and public sector all paid for by capitalists.

Point me to anything that is paid for of note and I will point you to capitalism.

Trump does not need any Maga idiots to maintain himself or his lifestyle.

Trump took $1 dollar per annum salary.

Trumps businesses means he still has income.

He is though still a tw3t just a very rich one.

Why is that so hard to accept ?

You don't make money in the dog eat dog world he operates in being nice.

[silver fox]

My capitalist thinking is borne of appreciating what it has bought our society.

Our own town is very much a product of Victorian capitalists.

Our schools, health service and public sector all paid for by capitalists.

Point me to anything that is paid for of note and I will point you to capitalism.

Trump does not need any Maga idiots to maintain himself or his lifestyle.

Trump took $1 dollar per annum salary.

Trumps businesses means he still has income.

He is though still a tw3t just a very rich one.

Why is that so hard to accept ?

You don't make money in the dog eat dog world he operates in being nice.

I think you possibly don’t understand my opposition to the Trumps of this world, I have no objection whatsoever to innovators, inventors, producers, those who turn their skills, knowledge and very often hard graft into a profitable business.

You must acknowledge that Trump for instance is far from honest, he is a fraudster and con man, in other words a crook, I ask you the question, should crooks prosper at the expense of others?

I spent most of my working life in a business which had to operate at a profit, with a good part of my time being responsible for that profit, I couldn’t possibly have any objection to a business operating at a profit, but never by deceit or fraud.

I am also very well aware of how industry was initially powered by those Victorian capitalists, who were not always the best employers by some stretch, but that fortunately is yesterday’s world, many of their methods would simply not be tolerated today, therefore of no relevance in today’s world.

Most of Trump’s up front businesses are not producing much income at the moment, plus of course much of his wealth comes from the value? of those businesses, we will see no doubt just how real his “empire” actually is, you are aware I hope that during his presidency many official GOP and international meetings and events were held in Trump properties at grossly inflated prices, that income has now gone, as I said we will see how all this pans out.

You say he doesn’t need the MAGA idiots, have you seen just how much money was raised for the wall, for the alleged “stolen” election, then for all the farcical court cases, the way that these appeals were set up this cash wound up in Trump Corporation hands, already it is known that $millions were siphoned out of the wall fund, the stop the steal fund and the legal challenges, ironically many of those tactics while totally immoral still hover on legal, surely as this becomes more and more public, even the ultra gullible will stop funding him.

[local]

Trump’s Businesses Raked In $1.9 Billion Of Revenue During His First Three Years In Office


https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...ars-in-office/


Sometimes you just need to let it go, the ghastly man is rich and getting richer.

He has considering all an amazing following.

He has had many many accusations made against him but unfortunately most are shrouded in the orange mist and to believe them all he would have to have all of Americas law enforcement agencies in his pocket.

Clearly he hasn't as his election complaints show.

Is he horrible, no doubt but the politically based accusations flew like starlings from the moment he stood but most have gone.

He has though done the real despots of the world a favour as the ludicrous attention on him by the short thinkers helps shield them.

In his place Biden, cages full of foil wrapped children and a dishonest son he has helped.

America certainly hasn't had an epiphany moment with Trumps departure.

[silver fox]

Trump’s Businesses Raked In $1.9 Billion Of Revenue During His First Three Years In Office


https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...ars-in-office/


Sometimes you just need to let it go, the ghastly man is rich and getting richer.

He has considering all an amazing following.

He has had many many accusations made against him but unfortunately most are shrouded in the orange mist and to believe them all he would have to have all of Americas law enforcement agencies in his pocket.

Clearly he hasn't as his election complaints show.

Is he horrible, no doubt but the politically based accusations flew like starlings from the moment he stood but most have gone.

He has though done the real despots of the world a favour as the ludicrous attention on him by the short thinkers helps shield them.

In his place Biden, cages full of foil wrapped children and a dishonest son he has helped.

America certainly hasn't had an epiphany moment with Trumps departure.

Of course he prospered while in office, plus while in office he was sheltered from much investigation, why do you think he was so desperate to hang on to the position, however as I have stated previously we will see how things work out.

Sure there are plenty, too many despots out there, I think we all know that, but every crook with power removed, is good.

His followers are like a cult, totally not understandable, but that is a sad fact.

[sandGroundZero]

Justice department finds more classified documents at Joe Biden’s home New search turns up six more items from tenures as vice-president and in the Senate There is perhaps something fortuitous for Democrats generally, if not for the man himself, in the fact that old codger Joe Biden brought his work home for the past five or so decades. Hopefully it will lead to him deciding that a second term is out of the question.

[local]

It's not so much the bringing home of documents, it's what documents. Allegedly some important information on Ukraine which just happens to be where his son Hunter has been paid millions for what is not clear;


Some of the classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice-president that were found last year in a private office included US intelligence memos and briefing materials concerning Ukraine, Iran and the UK, CNN reported, citing a source familiar with the matter.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-uk-briefings


If we cast our minds back to the faux outrage from the groupthink on here and pathetic media over documents Trump had as President the difference in response is startling.

This goes back to a time when Joe wasn't so obviously unfit.

[MICK/GILLY]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYdGfHWh/

[bensherman]

It's not so much the bringing home of documents, it's what documents. Allegedly some important information on Ukraine which just happens to be where his son Hunter has been paid millions for what is not clear;


Some of the classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice-president that were found last year in a private office included US intelligence memos and briefing materials concerning Ukraine, Iran and the UK, CNN reported, citing a source familiar with the matter.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...n-uk-briefings


If we cast our minds back to the faux outrage from the groupthink on here and pathetic media over documents Trump had as President the difference in response is startling.

This goes back to a time when Joe wasn't so obviously unfit.

The documents are pre 2016 when he was VP .
So at least 6 years out of date.

Whereas the documents at MAL went up to 2021. And there were many, many times more.

But the material difference is that when found it was declared and they were immediately returned.

When Trump's documents were realised to be missing the National Archive asked for them back. Trump told his lawyers there were none ( there were 20 boxes of them). Then he tried arguing he was his, and at this point the NA went to court.

But that wasn't the end of it. Trump tried getting a friendly judge to stop it. And failed. He tried arguing he could declassify the documents, which was both wrong and irrelevant.

Now his lawyers have been told by the court they are in contempt. They don't know what to do. He just lies to them.

Yes Biden isn't in good shape. Not surprising for his age. Trump however has various personality disorders, and during his time in the WH was taking a drug called Adderall to control his ADHD.

It's sad the US can't do better.

Whereas the documents at MAL went up to 2021. And there were many, many times more.

[sandGroundZero]

As long as the media wish to draw comparisons between Trump's behaviour and Bidens it is both a distraction and a 'bad look ' for the current President. It matters little that the his retained documents may have been cached for different reasons or comparatively benign circumstance in comparison with those of his predecessor, it is additional ammunition for Biden's detractors. The question is: Will President Biden accept that this distraction damages him and the Democratic party? Any time President Biden appears in public, he is prone to lamentable, embarrassing gaffs owing in many cases arguably to his age, without the addition of recurring document discoveries. I would anticipate many prominent and influential Democrats will be encouraging, if not pressuring Biden to stand aside in 2024.