Evading / Avoiding the Rules.

[Alikado]

Supermarkets after a prodding from the Government say they are clamping down on Face Mask compliance but the Government are encouraging non compliance, you can download an official exemption badge from gov.uk to your phone or print off no questions asked. Yet more of the Left Hand not knowing what the Right Hand is doing

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-make-your-own

[*concerned*]

Supermarkets after a prodding from the Government say they are clamping down on Face Mask compliance but the Government are encouraging non compliance, you can download an official exemption badge from gov.uk to your phone or print off no questions asked. Yet more of the Left Hand not knowing what the Right Hand is doing

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-make-your-own

eBay has LOADS for sale, complete with printed lanyard !

[Alikado]

eBay has LOADS for sale, complete with printed lanyard !

There is always going to be people cashing in on peoples selfishness and greed but this is the Government website, what next download yourself a Blue Badge?

[gsgsgs]

Whilst I agree with the supermarket stance, something they should have been doing from day one but how can this be enforced.

If you are the type to ignore the mask rule and are challenged you're simply going to reply I'm except, what can the supermarket do then?

I've posted on previous threads, I work in retail and 30 - 40% don't wear a mask, I've challenged and been told to f off or as I said "I'm exempt" there is a clear demographic 20's, with the smell of pot on most of the offenders, perhaps they think that gives them immunity!

[Little Londoner]

with the smell of pot on most of the offenders,

Stew Pot Crock Pot ****** Pot ??

[Blackrock]

There is always going to be people cashing in on peoples selfishness and greed but this is the Government website, what next download yourself a Blue Badge?

There was a doctor on TV recently - sorry, I can't remember where or when - who said something like 90% of people claiming to be medically excused a mask do not need to, and that those who do are in such a high risk category that they should not be out and about anyway!

[local]

Target the liars and the cheats who abuse our system not the ones who operate it
Report the cheats.
If you can't tolerate a mask wear a visor it's better than nothing for both yourself and everyone else.

[Steed]

While I understand some people are unable to wear the standard face masks for medical reasons, surely most would be able to wear a visor or face shield.
Also if they are that vulnerable and unable to wear a mask / shield then perhaps they should reconsider going into a supermarket without any protection for both their own health as well as others and make other arrangements.

[Hamble]

Deaf or hard of hearing people would suffer.

Supermarkets could have a shopping slot for those who cannot wear a mask.
Staff would have to wear theirs.

2 problems solved!

[susanb]

If I was ill enough to be except, I would not go out.

[Ceam]

Quite honestly, if you're that unwell you shouldn't be going to supermarkets anyway. Get a friend or relative to do your shopping, Or shop online. There are NO reasons to be in a shop without wearing a mask.

[Hamble]

The Deaf and hard of hearing are not ill.

Exemptions
Quote
"children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)
people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate."

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-make-your-own


Why not discourage the (maskless) children from shopping with more than one adult.

Last week I had to ask a family to move their trolley from the middle of the aisle in Tesco.
I could not pass it either side with 2 adults and 3 children all over the place choosing from both side shelves.

[Steed]

Deaf or hard of hearing people would suffer.

Supermarkets could have a shopping slot for those who cannot wear a mask.
Staff would have to wear theirs.

2 problems solved!

How would that help if the person who was deaf / hard of hearing relied on lip reading ?

If you can’t wear a mask, wear a clear shield.

The majority of those who are exempt (or claim to be exempt) have respiratory problems, the very thing that the virus affects most, so why put yourselves at risk by going into busy shops.

There are individuals / organisations only to happy to help with shopping.

Its not forever.

[said]

Whilst I agree with the supermarket stance, something they should have been doing from day one but how can this be enforced.

If you are the type to ignore the mask rule and are challenged you're simply going to reply I'm except, what can the supermarket do then?

I've posted on previous threads, I work in retail and 30 - 40% don't wear a mask, I've challenged and been told to f off or as I said "I'm exempt" there is a clear demographic 20's, with the smell of pot on most of the offenders, perhaps they think that gives them immunity!

You will find that most people disagree with wearing a mask and that includes many vulnerable people too. Not all of them visit your store. Like everything else - there are differences of opinion, and the scientific view is stronger.


WHO Web Page:
"Medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are:

• composed of 3 layers of synthetic nonwoven materials
• configured to have filtration layers sandwiched in the middle
• available in different thicknesses
• have various levels of fluid-resistance and filtration

Respirators (also known as filtering facepiece respirators – FFP) are available at different performance levels such as FFP2, FFP3, N95, N99.

Medical masks and respirator masks are similar in their protection value. However, respirators are specific for certain procedures and instances because they have a tightly fitted component to them. Respirator masks are designed to protect healthcare workers who provide care to COVID-19 patients in settings and areas where aerosol generating procedures are undertaken. Healthcare workers should be fit tested before using a respirator to ensure that they are wearing the correct size. Wearing a loose-fitting respirator will not offer the same protection to the wearer and may allow small particles to get inside the mask through the sides."


"Plastic visors are designed as spray protectors, so that if someone coughs in your face, it will protect you against the really big droplets – but smaller droplets can still be carried in the air, and under the visor.
This also applies to the droplets you breathe out: A recent Japanese study found that almost 100% of airborne droplets of less than 5 micrometres in size escaped through the kind of plastic visors often worn by people working in service industries. “The one thing they do provide, which a face mask doesn’t, is protection for your eyes,” says Noakes. Since some respiratory viruses, including coronavirus, can enter the body through this route, combining a face mask with a visor may provide an extra layer of protection." The Guardian

"It’s partly because surgical masks, whether store-bought or homemade, don’t protect the wearer against the COVID-19 virus, the CDC says. But face masks can help prevent infected people from spreading the virus, even if they have no symptoms — prompting the change.


“So it’s not going to protect you, but it is going to protectyour neighbor,” said infectious disease specialist Dr. Daniel Griffin atColumbia University, NPR reported.<o></o>
There’sa catch, however. You have to wear the mask correctly and dispose of itproperly, or you might actually increase the infection risk to yourself orothers.<o></o>
“That’swhat I see all the time,” Griffin said, NPR reported. “That’s why in thestudies, masks fail — people don’t use them (correctly). They touch the frontof it. They adjust it. They push it down somehow to get their nose stuck out.”Seattle Times<o></o>

[said]

How would that help if the person who was deaf / hard of hearing relied on lip reading ?

If you can’t wear a mask, wear a clear shield.

The majority of those who are exempt (or claim to be exempt) have respiratory problems, the very thing that the virus affects most, so why put yourselves at risk by going into busy shops.

There are individuals / organisations only to happy to help with shopping.

Its not forever.

Can you answer just one question - a mask is supposed to protect other people from any contagion you may be carrying, right? So how is it that quite a few medical staff who wear a mask all the time when dealing with victims of C19 - still contract the virus?