Inconsideration for allergy sufferers at local pub.

[Delia Cheirons]

We regularly visit our local pub, and over the years have found it increasingly uncomfortable to spend any amount of time there due to allergens caused by people bringing their dogs. Don't get me wrong, we are dog lovers, but due to a severe pet allergy we are unable to have a dog ourselves. To our utter dismay we had to have our drinks outside last night and leave early due to the cold, as we could not step inside the pub because it was over-run by dogs. In fact at one time we counted 12 large dogs in the small bar area. This had a massive adverse affect on my partner's breathing and ruined our night. We were not the only ones who complained - there were 4 other couples who also left the pub because of it - one of those who were planning to have a meal there but refused due to the unhygienic conditions. In this day and age we find it appalling that there are no provisions made for allergy suffers and we have to lose out, just to allow dogs in all areas. Surely this can't be fair and although we understand people like to take their dogs - should there not be a segregated area where they don't affect others ? We feel this is tantamount to discrimination against allergy sufferers, as there is no consideration for them, unlike the concessions given to dog lovers, non smokers and other minorities.

[Alikado]

It's not discrimination against allergy sufferers it is just an establishment that has no regard for hygiene allowing animals to roam around an area selling food. if anybody wants to take a dog to the pub they should stay outside with the smomers who should be well away from the entrances and windows.

[Delia Cheirons]

Alikado, it might not be discrimination but it is certainly a lack of consideration for allergy sufferers, and it's all very well that some people say go somewhere were there aren't any dogs, be my guest and please tell me where !!!
Provisions were made for non smokers with a smoking ban which came into force in July 2007 and wheelchair access is provided in most places for wheelchair users, so where is the inclusion for Asthma sufferers with severe pet allergies? and, no, Antihistamines don't work effectively for most

[Toodles McGinty]

I suspect this poster has been around before, despite the post count...

I don't mind dogs in pubs, as long as they are on leads, under control and away from food.

I don't think any establishment can anticipate every customer's allergies. Do they need to ensure all fabrics are natural, in case a customer has an allergy to man-made fibres? Apart from noting which meals may contain nuts, I don't see how a pub can provide for every single need of every single customer.

If you know a pub is dog-friendly, why not simply find another pub? You Said it was a local pub that you visit regularly, so you know there might be dogs there. Then you saw dogs and still ordered a drink. Why? To protest afterwards?

Not every pub allows animals. However, economically, it probably makes more sense for a pub to welcome dog owners than allergy sufferers. It's a business, after all.

[local]

An odd post, surely you choose a pub based on its appeal to you and if you don't like 60's music, real ale, ding meals or dogs you go somewhere you do like.

If you want a pub to your tastes buy one, they are very cheap at the moment.

[Delia Cheirons]

toodles mcguinty With reference to your comments, I agree it's difficult for pubs to cater for every need, but why exclude pet allergy sufferers ? A solution would be to have a dog friendly room and a non dog friendly room, so catering for both - just like they used to have non-smoking rooms - surely that's not too much to ask. And it is extremely difficult to find non dog friendly pubs these days - and why should we go elsewhere or not go out ! We're not saying don't allow them - just consider all parties.
By the way, my reason for ordering a drink at my local knowing they allowed dogs, was because it was a nice evening and knew I could drink outside if there were too many dogs inside. there were 12 dogs in there at 1 point, and as I previously said, 4 other couples left, some for same reason as us and some because they deemed it an unhygienic environment, and for these reasons I decided to write this and air my views. I have not mentioned anywhere by name, so there is nothing malicious in what I have said

[Delia Cheirons]

An odd post, surely you choose a pub based on its appeal to you and if you don't like 60's music, real ale, ding meals or dogs you go somewhere you do like.

If you want a pub to your tastes buy one, they are very cheap at the moment.

You're missing the point, read what I've said please

[local]

You're missing the point, read what I've said please

I have read your post and stand by mine essentially, go somewhere you do like.
Oh and I am not a dog owner and find many who are think its their god given right to impose their pet choices on others.

[melanieb]

I have read your post and stand by mine essentially, go somewhere you do like.
Oh and I am not a dog owner and find many who are think its their god given right to impose their pet choices on others.

God with a capital G please! I agree with your point though and cannot understand the need for domestic animals to be taken out for tea, etc. etc. What's with these new 'cat cafes' opening all over the place but 'dog friendly' pubs and cafes are o.k. I guess so long as there is a separate area for those not so dog friendly.

[said]

I have read your post and stand by mine essentially, go somewhere you do like.
Oh and I am not a dog owner and find many who are think its their god given right to impose their pet choices on others.

I do not understand what all this vogue is about needing to have your pets with you at all times. I am damned sure that the animals are not happy about it. It would be quite hilarious if people brought in cats, dogs, horses, birds etc., en masse.
Smokers were made to smoke outside simply because it annoyed a few people - the same should be of all animals. Owners should be segregated with their animals. Unless we have moved back to the Middle Ages in which people were totally ignorant, and I had not noticed.

Apart from that, there are several dog owners who disobey local regulations regarding cleaning up after their animal - it is just as likely that they would turn a blind eye to their dog fouling in a public house. Animals, lose hair from their fur - this is airborne and contaminates food and drink. Apart from the hair being attracted to fabrics, making smart clothing look unkempt,
Cleaners hired to clean these areas are not given sufficient time to clean areas thoroughly and I doubt if they are issued with the correct chemicals for doing so. So everyone, regardless of being a dog owner or not, will be presenting themselves to a less than hygienic premises.

Wetherspoons is one of the busiest pubs in town - they do not allow dogs nor any other animals. So it is up to the pub owner if he wants to lose customers. I would never dream of sitting down to relax where even one dog was allowed on the premises, let alone an area where dogs are barking or chasing one another, contaminating my food, drink and making my clothes look scruffy. (Blind dogs excepted)

[Desert Region]

I suspect this poster has been around before, despite the post count...

I don't mind dogs in pubs, as long as they are on leads, under control and away from food.

I don't think any establishment can anticipate every customer's allergies. Do they need to ensure all fabrics are natural, in case a customer has an allergy to man-made fibres? Apart from noting which meals may contain nuts, I don't see how a pub can provide for every single need of every single customer.

If you know a pub is dog-friendly, why not simply find another pub? You Said it was a local pub that you visit regularly, so you know there might be dogs there. Then you saw dogs and still ordered a drink. Why? To protest afterwards?

Not every pub allows animals. However, economically, it probably makes more sense for a pub to welcome dog owners than allergy sufferers. It's a business, after all.

The prospect of said replying to Delia Cheirons is for whatever inexplicable reason putting me in mind of those times when Murkey Mockney replied to chirpy cockney.

Then again, another two (very occassional) forum posters also bring that unpleasantness to mind.

[Desert Region]

I totally agree! If I wanted to live with animals I would book a room in the zoo! A Hotel is not for animals, it is a public place! Dog hairs everywhere, smelly, dirty, dogs barking,fighting, dribbling Yuk!! Talk about the Middle Ages!

Hotel cleaners only have a very limited time to clean rooms. They do not have time to steam clean carpets, or use filters for dog hairs, or even disinfectants, they do not have the time to fumigate bed covers, etc., What are the laws regarding Public Health and animals in Hotels?

A blind dog is acceptable. Generally this is one dog on its own, it is a working dog (not a pet) and it has been highly trained. Without the service of that dog - the owner would be severely limited in what they can do.

https://www.qlocal.co.uk/southport/f...s-55032615.htm

I do not understand what all this vogue is about needing to have your pets with you at all times. I am damned sure that the animals are not happy about it. It would be quite hilarious if people brought in cats, dogs, horses, birds etc., en masse.

Smokers were made to smoke outside simply because it annoyed a few people - the same should be of all animals. Owners should be segregated with their animals. Unless we have moved back to the Middle Ages in which people were totally ignorant, and I had not noticed.

Apart from that, there are several dog owners who disobey local regulations regarding cleaning up after their animal - it is just as likely that they would turn a blind eye to their dog fouling in a public house. Animals, lose hair from their fur - this is airborne and contaminates food and drink. Apart from the hair being attracted to fabrics, making smart clothing look unkempt,

Cleaners hired to clean these areas are not given sufficient time to clean areas thoroughly and I doubt if they are issued with the correct chemicals for doing so. So everyone, regardless of being a dog owner or not, will be presenting themselves to a less than hygienic premises.

Wetherspoons is one of the busiest pubs in town - they do not allow dogs nor any other animals. So it is up to the pub owner if he wants to lose customers. I would never dream of sitting down to relax where even one dog was allowed on the premises, let alone an area where dogs are barking or chasing one another, contaminating my food, drink and making my clothes look scruffy. (Blind dogs excepted)

I see that poor dog is gettng an even worse time of it now .

[Alikado]

I do not understand what all this vogue is about needing to have your pets with you at all times. I am damned sure that the animals are not happy about it. It would be quite hilarious if people brought in cats, dogs, horses, birds etc., en masse.
Smokers were made to smoke outside simply because it annoyed a few people - the same should be of all animals. Owners should be segregated with their animals. Unless we have moved back to the Middle Ages in which people were totally ignorant, and I had not noticed.

Apart from that, there are several dog owners who disobey local regulations regarding cleaning up after their animal - it is just as likely that they would turn a blind eye to their dog fouling in a public house. Animals, lose hair from their fur - this is airborne and contaminates food and drink. Apart from the hair being attracted to fabrics, making smart clothing look unkempt,
Cleaners hired to clean these areas are not given sufficient time to clean areas thoroughly and I doubt if they are issued with the correct chemicals for doing so. So everyone, regardless of being a dog owner or not, will be presenting themselves to a less than hygienic premises.

Wetherspoons is one of the busiest pubs in town - they do not allow dogs nor any other animals. So it is up to the pub owner if he wants to lose customers. I would never dream of sitting down to relax where even one dog was allowed on the premises, let alone an area where dogs are barking or chasing one another, contaminating my food, drink and making my clothes look scruffy. (Blind dogs excepted)

They are not pets anymore they are Trophies.

Blind Dogs shouldn't be taken in places like Pubs, they could easily get trodden on or trip people up, However Assistance Dogs such as those used by Blind People should be an exception.

[Toodles McGinty]

Blind Dogs shouldn't be taken in places like Pubs, they could easily get trodden on or trip people up, However Assistance Dogs such as those used by Blind People should be an exception.

What have you got against Blind Dogs? You monster!

It's discrimination, that's what it is.

[Desert Region]

toodles mcguinty With reference to your comments, I agree it's difficult for pubs to cater for every need, but why exclude pet allergy sufferers ? A solution would be to have a dog friendly room and a non dog friendly room, so catering for both - just like they used to have non-smoking rooms - surely that's not too much to ask. And it is extremely difficult to find non dog friendly pubs these days - and why should we go elsewhere or not go out ! We're not saying don't allow them - just consider all parties.
By the way, my reason for ordering a drink at my local knowing they allowed dogs, was because it was a nice evening and knew I could drink outside if there were too many dogs inside. there were 12 dogs in there at 1 point, and as I previously said, 4 other couples left, some for same reason as us and some because they deemed it an unhygienic environment, and for these reasons I decided to write this and air my views. I have not mentioned anywhere by name, so there is nothing malicious in what I have said

Ok.