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    Israel Folau Religion and Homophobia

    The Australian Folau and it appears Englands Billy Vunipola share a religious based view that most of us find frankly odd (wanting to condemn someone to the fires of hell for who they like on a personal level).

    Should we accept differences of opinion based on religious views from high profile people.





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    What you should be asking is " should we be allowed an opinion on anything or are certain groups, thanks to like minded practitioners in Parliament, able to subjugate opinion on certain matters"

    Gorge Orwell should have titled his tome 2019.

    If someone is deeply religious then surely there are only 10 commandments not the 11th that someone has slipped in on the bottom (no pun intended) of the stone tablet. Thou must not have an opinion on unnatural acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    The Australian Folau and it appears Englands Billy Vunipola share a religious based view that most of us find frankly odd (wanting to condemn someone to the fires of hell for who they like on a personal level).

    Should we accept differences of opinion based on religious views from high profile people.

    Everyone, no matter who or what they are, is entitled to their own point of view. It is so totally wrong that people are made to feel criminal just because their view is in conflict with the modern vogue of political correctness. This attempt in controlling social behaviour actually has an adverse affect on those they claim to protect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    The Australian Folau and it appears Englands Billy Vunipola share a religious based view that most of us find frankly odd (wanting to condemn someone to the fires of hell for who they like on a personal level).

    Should we accept differences of opinion based on religious views from high profile people.
    I'm with the Maggie Smith meme on this one:

    My dear, religion is like a penis. It's a perfectly fine thing for one to have and take pride in, but when one takes it out and waves it in my face we have a problem.

    I don't believe those in a privileged position should use their celebrity to force their particular religious beliefs down people's throats. I also find it odd the way these big macho types feel threatened by what goes on in other people's bedrooms, by people they don't know, and don't apparently want anything to do with. I'm convinced they are experiencing an internal struggle between their religious brainwashing and their own sexual leanings.

    You'd think they'd use their celebrity to highlight real problems, such as domestic violence, child poverty, child grooming, rape or any of the plethora of horrible things that go on, rather than bother about what two consenting adults get up to in private. Although, lets face it, those things aren't exactly condemned in religious texts.

    I'd suggest that if they have an aversion to homosexuality, they should try to keep their genitalia away from other men. It can't be that hard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post


    I'm with the Maggie Smith meme on this one:

    My dear, religion is like a penis. It's a perfectly fine thing for one to have and take pride in, but when one takes it out and waves it in my face we have a problem.

    I don't believe those in a privileged position should use their celebrity to force their particular religious beliefs down people's throats. I also find it odd the way these big macho types feel threatened by what goes on in other people's bedrooms, by people they don't know, and don't apparently want anything to do with. I'm convinced they are experiencing an internal struggle between their religious brainwashing and their own sexual leanings.

    You'd think they'd use their celebrity to highlight real problems, such as domestic violence, child poverty, child grooming, rape or any of the plethora of horrible things that go on, rather than bother about what two consenting adults get up to in private. Although, lets face it, those things aren't exactly condemned in religious texts.

    I'd suggest that if they have an aversion to homosexuality, they should try to keep their genitalia away from other men. It can't be that hard...
    I don't think its a big macho thing more a religious one after all there's quite a few big macho types who like to "play home games"


    It just makes a more eye grabbing headline.

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    Everyone is entitled to their opinions but when they boarder on a hate crime then they should keep it to themselves or suffer the consequences, what would the reaction be if it was black people who should be sent to hell, outrage and rightly so, there is absolutely no place in society for bigotry of any kind.

    It puzzles me as to what people find so abhorrent in same sex relationships, two adults in a loving consensual relationship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I don't think its a big macho thing more a religious one after all there's quite a few big macho types who like to "play home games"


    It just makes a more eye grabbing headline.
    That's true.

    With the headlines in the past few weeks / months, you'd think racism in sport is a great concern, and one they could highlight. I know they aren't footballers, where the greater problem seems to lie, but a bit of solidarity against bigoted idiots would be a better use of their Twitter time, IMO. Not encouraging more bigoted idiots.

    But again, it's hardly discouraged in the Bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    That's true.

    With the headlines in the past few weeks / months, you'd think racism in sport is a great concern, and one they could highlight. I know they aren't footballers, where the greater problem seems to lie, but a bit of solidarity against bigoted idiots would be a better use of their Twitter time, IMO. Not encouraging more bigoted idiots.

    But again, it's hardly discouraged in the Bible.
    A bigoted idiot is an apt description. This is not the first time he's made these inappropriate comments. A highly paid, hugely talented sportsman has aired his views before quite recently and been warned about his future conduct by the Australian Rugby Union. Now he's been sacked and, rightly so.
    Just be yourself, no one else is better qualified!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2 View Post
    A bigoted idiot is an apt description. This is not the first time he's made these inappropriate comments. A highly paid, hugely talented sportsman has aired his views before quite recently and been warned about his future conduct by the Australian Rugby Union. Now he's been sacked and, rightly so.
    He is under the spell of a religion which unfortunately is at the heart of a lot of problems in the world.

    I would though prefer to hear his views than suppress them even if I think its an odd thing for him to worry himself about,
    after all theres some things that go on in the heterosexual world that might get you a fiery end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsgsgs View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinions but when they boarder on a hate crime then they should keep it to themselves or suffer the consequences, what would the reaction be if it was black people who should be sent to hell, outrage and rightly so, there is absolutely no place in society for bigotry of any kind.

    It puzzles me as to what people find so abhorrent in same sex relationships, two adults in a loving consensual relationship?

    Do you go around proclaiming to every one you meet that you are heterosexual? No! I do not see the point in people claiming to be gay, either. Why? Are such people hoping to be seen as some kind of Hero, or some superior being to others? Or do they feel less than confident of the way they are? Why do they not just go about their business and live like normal people do - without referring to sexual preferences, personal sexual leaning has no part in modern life - who really cares? You are either someone with a great personality who socialises easily or you are some miserable sap who keeps whinging and that no one wants to know. End of!

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Do you go around proclaiming to every one you meet that you are heterosexual? No! I do not see the point in people claiming to be gay, either. Why? Are such people hoping to be seen as some kind of Hero, or some superior being to others? Or do they feel less than confident of the way they are? Why do they not just go about their business and live like normal people do - without referring to sexual preferences, personal sexual leaning has no part in modern life - who really cares? You are either someone with a great personality who socialises easily or you are some miserable sap who keeps whinging and that no one wants to know. End of!
    You response makes no sense either in the context of the thread or my post?

    Where in the thread has anyone mentioned 'claiming to be gay', it is about a sports personality tweeting homophobic comments and being sacked as a result and whether or not it is OK to do so.

    Why would anyone claim to be gay when there are still bigoted morons spouting their hated?

    However, you are right one one point it simply doesn't matter whether you are gay or straight we should be able to live our lives without fear of persecution, victimisation or being stoned to death.

    You only need to look at the news more or less an a daily basis that in some sections they care, sadly they care in a bigoted way hence the the reason for this thread and the Sultan of Brunei's recent proclamations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsgsgs View Post

    However, you are right one one point it simply doesn't matter whether you are gay or straight we should be able to live our lives without fear of persecution, victimisation or being stoned to death.
    CORRECT, but it appears to me that homosexuals/Lesbians seem to want to make it a badge of pride by telling everyone. I've said it a thousand times on here I don't give a damn what people do in private be they heterosexual/homosexual/lesbian but I don't want to know. I don't get introduced to someone and make a point of letting them know I am heterosexual. As far as I am concerned they are their own worst enemy they have laws that I don't have to protect them and it appears that they want to push the boundaries to make the point they are untouchable or unmentionable.

    I don't know Falau like everyone on this thread and I am not religious but like EVERYONE he has the right of an opinion and Very Dangerous Ground is being walked here if the establishment can take his livelihood off him for his opinion. As he assaulted/seriously harmed or killed anyone?
    The tail is wagging the dog and it's about time they tried to get off their self imposed pedestal and lived their lives like everyone who doesn't think they are better than someone else, they may find it more acceptable and less confrontational.

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    Just be yourself, no one else is better qualified!!

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    First I've heard of this guy bu t he seems to have some odd views . Live and let live that's what I say . As long as a person lives within the law I can't agree with his views .
    REST IN PEACE THE 96.
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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Do you go around proclaiming to every one you meet that you are heterosexual?
    Do you know any gay people who do that? I don't.

    I just assume if somebody introduces me to, or refers to, their partner, I can figure it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by said
    Why do they not just go about their business and live like normal people do
    They do. Because they are normal people. It is only when sad, closeted bigots make them 'other', a tactic often used by fascists to demonise a certain section of society, that they are seen as different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    like EVERYONE he has the right of an opinion and Very Dangerous Ground is being walked here if the establishment can take his livelihood off him for his opinion. As he assaulted/seriously harmed or killed anyone?
    Of course everyone has a right to their own opinion, but the power of celebrity is such that public statements CAN cause serious harm. One example is MPs having death threats because of the extreme rhetoric of idiot Brexiteers. Jo Cox murdered, Nicky Morgan, Yvette Cooper, Rosie Cooper, Russell Moyle, Heidi Allen, Ann Soubry and many more receiving death threats. MPs being advised to travel in groups. All because of statements made publicly.

    Again, if a public figure stated that black people would 'burn in hell', there would be outrage, and rightly so. The dangerous ground here is 'hate speech'. So yes, he can have his opinion, but if he states it publicly, then he should accept the consequences. He got away with it once, then knowing the consequences, he went and did it again a year later. So maybe his views mean more to him than his career. He's a sportsman. He knows what yellow and red cards mean. He was given a chance not to spread more hate, but went and did it anyway.

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