Latest acronym for LGBT

[Toodles McGinty]

You may have been around young people - but you do not seem to understand them. Research has shown, and this is published in several journals - that young people come to accept their LGBT identity or otherwise around the time of puberty. Approximately 13 years of age for a girl and about 14 years of age for a boy. During this time a young teenager is at their most vulnerable. A young teenager who is perhaps shy, quiet, lacking in confidence or social skills - comes to believe that they are 'different'. Many young people cannot or will not, discuss their innermost feelings with anyone and they feel totally alone. Years ago, young people were allowed to analyse their own feelings and come to terms with them - that was part of 'growing up' Under todays PC propaganda and media pressure, these young people, at the age when hormones are raging - do not grow up naturally, they prematurely come to believe that the reason why they are 'different' is because they must be gay or lesbian.
They socialise in these circles and feel confident because each is seeking the same levels of acceptance. They become accepted as being of this community. A few years on when they do become 'grown up' and begin doubting their identity they are fearful of reverting back because they are too involved. Eventually, the situation creates mental disabilities. It has been widely published that there exists a higher level of mental problems among this group, which has been erroneously claimed as being due to a lack of acceptance in society. This is untrue since people do not know who is, or who is not LGBT unless that person informs them and secondly, the majority of people are really not concerned. The present day PC propaganda is a very dangerous machine!

What complete and utter bull $h!t. Did you doubt your sexuality when you were a teen? Did you try guys for a while then simply couldn't find your way 'back'? Of course not. Research published in journals in which century? Links please.

Life isn't the movie 'Elf'. Kids who think they might be aren't deposited in 'Gay World' and can't find their way back to 'Straight'. People don't hover around until some LGBT committee decides whether or not they are gay.

Basically you see the LGBT community as a bunch of child-catchers desperate to add youngsters to their fold. How completely and utterly moronic. You don't join up. There's no membership card. In the real world, most kids know whether they are gay or not way before puberty. Possibly some people hit puberty and their raging hormones may cause experimentation. Some people experiment with all manner of things. But there's no Ministry of Decisions forcing you to decide if you are gay or not based on a sexual encounter as a teen.

You're desperate to blame 'gayness' on others. Thankfully most intelligent people just accept the truth. Some people are gay. Get over it. If you don't like people having intimate relationships with someone of the same gender, don't do it.

Why are so many on this thread (the usual suspects, all wound up about this subject, as always) sooo interested in other people's sex lives? It doesn't concern you, has nothing to do with you at all. Mind your own business.

[said]

What complete and utter bull $h!t. Did you doubt your sexuality when you were a teen? Did you try guys for a while then simply couldn't find your way 'back'? Of course not. Research published in journals in which century? Links please.

Life isn't the movie 'Elf'. Kids who think they might be aren't deposited in 'Gay World' and can't find their way back to 'Straight'. People don't hover around until some LGBT committee decides whether or not they are gay.

Basically you see the LGBT community as a bunch of child-catchers desperate to add youngsters to their fold. How completely and utterly moronic. You don't join up. There's no membership card. In the real world, most kids know whether they are gay or not way before puberty. Possibly some people hit puberty and their raging hormones may cause experimentation. Some people experiment with all manner of things. But there's no Ministry of Decisions forcing you to decide if you are gay or not based on a sexual encounter as a teen.

You're desperate to blame 'gayness' on others. Thankfully most intelligent people just accept the truth. Some people are gay. Get over it. If you don't like people having intimate relationships with someone of the same gender, don't do it.

Why are so many on this thread (the usual suspects, all wound up about this subject, as always) sooo interested in other people's sex lives? It doesn't concern you, has nothing to do with you at all. Mind your own business.

I am not the least bit interested in what other people choose to do! It is the effects of modern day encouragement that does concern me. I have been associated with this minority group since I was a teenager, they have helped me on many occasions, so I do know and understand these people - that is not the issue! Present day promotion of the LGBT groups offends them as much as other people, they do not want to be singled out by the constant publicity.

[gsgsgs]

You may have been around young people - but you do not seem to understand them. Research has shown, and this is published in several journals - that young people come to accept their LGBT identity or otherwise around the time of puberty. Approximately 13 years of age for a girl and about 14 years of age for a boy. During this time a young teenager is at their most vulnerable. A young teenager who is perhaps shy, quiet, lacking in confidence or social skills - comes to believe that they are 'different'. Many young people cannot or will not, discuss their innermost feelings with anyone and they feel totally alone. Years ago, young people were allowed to analyse their own feelings and come to terms with them - that was part of 'growing up' Under todays PC propaganda and media pressure, these young people, at the age when hormones are raging - do not grow up naturally, they prematurely come to believe that the reason why they are 'different' is because they must be gay or lesbian.
They socialise in these circles and feel confident because each is seeking the same levels of acceptance. They become accepted as being of this community. A few years on when they do become 'grown up' and begin doubting their identity they are fearful of reverting back because they are too involved. Eventually, the situation creates mental disabilities. It has been widely published that there exists a higher level of mental problems among this group, which has been erroneously claimed as being due to a lack of acceptance in society. This is untrue since people do not know who is, or who is not LGBT unless that person informs them and secondly, the majority of people are really not concerned. The present day PC propaganda is a very dangerous machine!

You keep referring to reports or research backing up your twaddle, how about providing links?

My earliest recollection of being different, later to realise I was gay was about 9 well before puberty, thinking back I wish there was somewhere or someone I could have gone to for advise and support.

I vividly remember my first sex education lesson at school, I use the words "sex education" loosely! My first year at school the school was separate boys/girls, at the start of my second year the school mixed, at the start of the new term boys went back a day or so earlier than the girls so we could be given a talk.

I can still see my environmental science teacher stood in front of a class of 12/13 years old boys, not sure who was more embarrassed him or us. He mumbled and stuttered his was through how when girls are in the same class as us a certain part of our body may become stiff! he never mentioned a penis. I had no real idea what he was going on about, I remember thinking that my willy did that sometimes but it wasn't looking at girls.

You say that years ago young people were allowed to analyse their own feelings and to come to terms with them as part of growing up, as a confused kid of 9 how was I expected to do this without any sort of support.

I didn't actually need to come to terms with my sexuality, it has never been an issue either with me or my peers.

You refer to 'do not grow up naturally' I grew up perfectly naturally with tolerance and acceptance, it is the bigots who grew up unnaturally.

[Hamble]

I support LGBT right to self determination and equality.

Opposing the above is a sign of pragmatism rather than repressed homosexuality.
There are people who will see a man dressed as a woman and people who just see a woman.

Give me a tolerant pragmatist rather than an intolerant one any day.

[VB123]

You may have been around young people - but you do not seem to understand them. Research has shown, and this is published in several journals - that young people come to accept their LGBT identity or otherwise around the time of puberty. Approximately 13 years of age for a girl and about 14 years of age for a boy. During this time a young teenager is at their most vulnerable. A young teenager who is perhaps shy, quiet, lacking in confidence or social skills - comes to believe that they are 'different'. Many young people cannot or will not, discuss their innermost feelings with anyone and they feel totally alone. Years ago, young people were allowed to analyse their own feelings and come to terms with them - that was part of 'growing up' Under todays PC propaganda and media pressure, these young people, at the age when hormones are raging - do not grow up naturally, they prematurely come to believe that the reason why they are 'different' is because they must be gay or lesbian.
They socialise in these circles and feel confident because each is seeking the same levels of acceptance. They become accepted as being of this community. A few years on when they do become 'grown up' and begin doubting their identity they are fearful of reverting back because they are too involved. Eventually, the situation creates mental disabilities. It has been widely published that there exists a higher level of mental problems among this group, which has been erroneously claimed as being due to a lack of acceptance in society. This is untrue since people do not know who is, or who is not LGBT unless that person informs them and secondly, the majority of people are really not concerned. The present day PC propaganda is a very dangerous machine!

As I have said to you before, you really do not have a clue. Unlike you, I know quite a few young gay people. None of them are shy, as you claim, and they are very open about their feelings to their friends, and indeed me, as they know I fully support gay people. Their biggest fear was the reaction of others towards them being gay, hence quite a few of them delaying telling their parents they were gay for years. As a parent and having known these young people since they were young, I find it heartbreaking to see some of them so afraid to tell their parents for so long. All but one of the parents were supportive. Instead of reading your information online, try going to speak to some young gay people and listen to them. I guarantee you would be more accepting if you had a conversation with them. I will always argue against anyone who posts homophobic comments online as I will not allow people to cause more harm to the lovely young gay people I know. Maybe concentrate your energies on the scumbag young people going around smashing property up or making people’s lives a misery with their behaviour. The young gay people I know are truly lovely, respectful, courteous and helpful individuals and are a credit to their parents. People need to remember that anyone can be gay and you may be spreading hate which will one day affect gay relatives of your own. You may end up being the parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, etc, of a young gay person who is too afraid to tell you of their sexuality.

[VB123]

OBVIOUSLY YOU have not read my post please read it then answer the questions posed to you before you go accusing people JUST because I DO NOT AGREE with YOU. I have a mind of my own thank you I don't need idiots telling me what is right and what is wrong. WHY should the Police knock at my DOOR unless they are VB123 POLICE with ONE VIEW ON things.

Nothing about agreeing with me, but completely about the content of your posts. It must frustrate the hell out of you not being able to shout and bully people in person going by the way you keep using capital letters. Of course you have a mind of your own and what a nasty mind that is. I stick by my original assumption on the type of man you are. I don’t put up with bullies. People who pick on others in society are the ones with the issues.

[Desert Region]

I think it's important to add that gay people can be wonderful or horrible or anything in-between. Just like heterosexual people. There's many spectrums.

I wouldn't naturally conclude that a person's character is entirely independent of their sexuality, though. It's been commented that there is a disproportionately high representation of gay people among the roster of what history would consider to have been great artists. Probably, higher than will ever be known. There's reasonable cases been made that Shakespeare was gay or bi.

It's speculated that as historically gay people have been forced to endure the pain and trauma of having to hide an essential part of their being, that this daily struggle leads to deeper human insight, and that artistic brilliance is partly a by-product of someone who is being oppressed finding ways to have a public voice and identity.

Someone recommended the film, Call Me By Your Name, to me, and my word it is a stunning, affecting watch and the cinematography is just gorgeous. Highly recommended.


One thing I have noticed among gay male friends is that some of them can be as misogynistic as any redneck heterosexual misogynist.

Two differences: gay male misogyny still seems to be perceived as funny and cute and is more likely to go unchallenged; gay male misogyny feels different, to be sourced from a different place.

[VB123]

I think it's important to add that gay people can be wonderful or horrible or anything in-between. Just like heterosexual people. There's many spectrums.

I wouldn't naturally conclude that a person's character is entirely independent of their sexuality, though.

Not sure if you are responding to my post that the young gay people I know are lovely. Of course, sexuality doesn’t dictate your character; my point to Said was that he should stop with his attack on gay people, for no other reason than he doesn’t accept their sexuality, and use his energies to criticise those who deserve it.

[VB123]

Emotional song and video that some of you may want to watch and think about how your attitude affects gay people, particularly young gay people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb24RrHIbFk

[Desert Region]

Not sure if you are responding to my post that the young gay people I know are lovely. Of course, sexuality doesn’t dictate your character; my point to Said was that he should stop with his attack on gay people, for no other reason than he doesn’t accept their sexuality, and use his energies to criticise those who deserve it.

My post was initially a direct "Reply With Quote" response to yours, in which I was complimenting you on the heartfelt moments and reasonable suggestions you made. Your plea for tolerance delivered in a thoughtful style seemed to have a touch of the poetic about it, to me.

Mid-composition I realised I also wanted to broaden the discussion into how suppression and oppression can stimulate the creation of timeless artistic achievements (Jack Mapanje explains it as well as anyone); and into how gay people can be as pleasant or unpleasant as anyone else.

I abandoned the "Reply With Quote" response as my topic broadening might read as an unintended "Yes, but..." response. I realised that what I wanted to say could not readily be slotted into the ongoing (necessary) dialectical engagement.

That's why I decided on a more free-standing post, albeit, yes, with an element obliquely referencing a part of your post.

[VB123]

My post was initially a direct "Reply With Quote" response to yours, in which I was complimenting you on the heartfelt moments and reasonable suggestions you made. Your plea for tolerance delivered in a thoughtful style seemed to have a touch of the poetic about it, to me.

Mid-composition I realised I also wanted to broaden the discussion into how suppression and oppression can stimulate the creation of timeless artistic achievements (Jack Mapanje explains it as well as anyone); and into how gay people can be as pleasant or unpleasant as anyone else.

I abandoned the "Reply With Quote" response as my topic broadening might read as an unintended "Yes, but..." response. I realised that what I wanted to say could not readily be slotted into the ongoing (necessary) dialectical engagement.

That's why I decided on a more free-standing post, albeit, yes, with an element obliquely referencing a part of your post.

Thanks for your reply. I just see too many young gay people worrying about the negativity towards them and it is up to everyone to educate others and to stop them being made to feel any different from the rest of us.

What I would say to everyone is that parents need to let their children be aware that they have no issues with anyone being gay, so that if their child is gay, they feel able to tell their parents.

[seivad]

Many young people cannot or will not, discuss their innermost feelings with anyone and they feel totally alone. Years ago, young people were allowed to analyse their own feelings and come to terms with them - that was part of 'growing up' Under todays PC propaganda and media pressure, these young people, at the age when hormones are raging - do not grow up naturally, they prematurely come to believe that the reason why they are 'different' is because they must be gay or lesbian.

Other people have articulately debunked your ridiculous statements, so I won't bother to address them. Let me address the statement highlighted above.

Years ago young people who realised they were gay, or "not normal" as you usually put it , went through the hell and isolation of knowing that there was limited acceptance of their sexuality, and that a great number of people would even be repulsed by it. It's one thing to come to terms with your own sexuality, it's quite another thing to realise that society has not.

I have a cousin who's a few years younger than I am, who tried desperately to be heterosexual. He tried dating girls, all that achieved was to reinforce what he already knew. He was terrified of telling his parents. In the end he asked my mum to tell his mum (her sister). His mum, as all of our family expected, was totally understanding and supportive. His father was another story, he was kept in the dark for at least another year.

It does my heart good to see that young gay people today don't have to suffer the fear of being ostracised and the feeling of isolation. The "PC pressure and media pressure", as you put it, is known as support. It doesn't make straight people believe they're gay, any more than you can cure a gay person.

Rather than Googling various topics you know nothing about, and cherry picking bits to support your views, something I've evidenced on so many of your posts, why don't you stick to posting things you actually understand.

[said]

Other people have articulately debunked your ridiculous statements, so I won't bother to address them. Let me address the statement highlighted above.

Years ago young people who realised they were gay, or "not normal" as you usually put it , went through the hell and isolation of knowing that there was limited acceptance of their sexuality, and that a great number of people would even be repulsed by it. It's one thing to come to terms with your own sexuality, it's quite another thing to realise that society has not.

I have a cousin who's a few years younger than I am, who tried desperately to be heterosexual. He tried dating girls, all that achieved was to reinforce what he already knew. He was terrified of telling his parents. In the end he asked my mum to tell his mum (her sister). His mum, as all of our family expected, was totally understanding and supportive. His father was another story, he was kept in the dark for at least another year.

It does my heart good to see that young gay people today don't have to suffer the fear of being ostracised and the feeling of isolation. The "PC pressure and media pressure", as you put it, is known as support. It doesn't make straight people believe they're gay, any more than you can cure a gay person.

Rather than Googling various topics you know nothing about, and cherry picking bits to support your views, something I've evidenced on so many of your posts, why don't you stick to posting things you actually understand.

Each of you can only quote one or two cases that you know about personally - I can therefore, assume that I have far more experience than any of you. I have worked in a large number of schools, both inner city and local, part of my work involved pupil counselling - I dealt with a huge number of cases involving a variety of problems that young people experience. Prior to working in schools, I worked as a scientific researcher. My past has been very colourful - I was brought up in one of the roughest areas of England, the Police patrolled in fours and sixes - not just two's. You either had to stand up for yourself or stay indoors. I mixed in many areas of society - from the down and outs on the streets to socialising with millionaires in Soho. Several times I found myself on city streets with no money and nowhere to go, but was always helped out by the shadow people (LGBT people) I have stayed with them and lived among them even though I was an outsider to their circle. During my counciling days, I met up with children who had found themselves parented by LGBT people through no choice of their own. I understood both sides of the problem - it was heartbreaking. You are completely wrong when you say I use the internet to explain my arguments - I use the internet to clarify names and dates. I have an excellent memory, a very wide knowledge based on experience and my social circles involve those who are also very highly educated and very much worldly wise. We each enjoy discussions and will accept when we are wrong, but when we are right we will argue our points stronger than a 5th Avenue Lawyer.

[seivad]

Each of you can only quote one or two cases that you know about personally - I can therefore, assume that I have far more experience than any of you. I have worked in a large number of schools, both inner city and local, part of my work involved pupil counselling - I dealt with a huge number of cases involving a variety of problems that young people experience. Prior to working in schools, I worked as a scientific researcher. My past has been very colourful - I was brought up in one of the roughest areas of England, the Police patrolled in fours and sixes - not just two's. You either had to stand up for yourself or stay indoors. I mixed in many areas of society - from the down and outs on the streets to socialising with millionaires in Soho. Several times I found myself on city streets with no money and nowhere to go, but was always helped out by the shadow people (LGBT people) I have stayed with them and lived among them even though I was an outsider to their circle. During my counciling days, I met up with children who had found themselves parented by LGBT people through no choice of their own. I understood both sides of the problem - it was heartbreaking. You are completely wrong when you say I use the internet to explain my arguments - I use the internet to clarify names and dates. I have an excellent memory, a very wide knowledge based on experience and my social circles involve those who are also very highly educated and very much worldly wise. We each enjoy discussions and will accept when we are wrong, but when we are right we will argue our points stronger than a 5th Avenue Lawyer.

All that, and being the CEO of a fictitious financial services company in Chester. Such a busy boy.

[gsgsgs]

Each of you can only quote one or two cases that you know about personally - I can therefore, assume that I have far more experience than any of you. I have worked in a large number of schools, both inner city and local, part of my work involved pupil counselling - I dealt with a huge number of cases involving a variety of problems that young people experience. Prior to working in schools, I worked as a scientific researcher. My past has been very colourful - I was brought up in one of the roughest areas of England, the Police patrolled in fours and sixes - not just two's. You either had to stand up for yourself or stay indoors. I mixed in many areas of society - from the down and outs on the streets to socialising with millionaires in Soho. Several times I found myself on city streets with no money and nowhere to go, but was always helped out by the shadow people (LGBT people) I have stayed with them and lived among them even though I was an outsider to their circle. During my counciling days, I met up with children who had found themselves parented by LGBT people through no choice of their own. I understood both sides of the problem - it was heartbreaking. You are completely wrong when you say I use the internet to explain my arguments - I use the internet to clarify names and dates. I have an excellent memory, a very wide knowledge based on experience and my social circles involve those who are also very highly educated and very much worldly wise. We each enjoy discussions and will accept when we are wrong, but when we are right we will argue our points stronger than a 5th Avenue Lawyer.

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You say you were once involved in pupil counselling, really? I pity the poor pupils, how can someone so blinkered and biased offer support and help to anyone let alone impressionable children.

You also claim to have been helped by the shadow people, seriously! Where these shadow people from somewhere left of Narnia