Revoke Article 50 petition

[Desert Region]

2 choices???? Is that whether we cut our wrists before, or after we jump off the cliff?

Probably not the wisest image to press at a time when the news is full of stories of people using knives to murder people.

Brexit as literal, graphic suicide.

Actually, I see that painting a picture by use of describing people's decisions in terms of commiting suicide and to using a knife on themselves is all the vogue.

Philip Hammond also likes to forcefully press home his point in a similar manner...

The Chancellor ridiculed Michael Gove and Boris Johnson for forming an ‘unintended suicide pact’ in 2016

And Andrea Leadsom effectively ‘knifed herself’ in a ‘private suicide pact,’ he said during a speech in Washington

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6922363/Hammond-mocks-Leadsom-Gove-Boris-suicide-pacts.html

[local]

Even Nigel has gone off UKIP.


I must bring an end to this me-edia nonsense about crashing out yes below is from a brexit leaning lawyer but it does lay out the reality of leaving is not as so often wrongly repeated..



https://briefingsforbrexit.com/pulli...o-world-trade/

[The PNP]

Even Nigel has gone off UKIP.


I must bring an end to this me-edia nonsense about crashing out yes below is from a brexit leaning lawyer but it does lay out the reality of leaving is not as so often wrongly repeated..



https://briefingsforbrexit.com/pulli...o-world-trade/

Speculation about levels of tariffs, who and what will pay/cost more (or less?) is all very well if you're into the 'technical' side of trade-deals etc.......Fact is, in a no-deal situation we'll not know for sure how trade pans out if/until it happens.

What is certain, the individual traveller will be adversely affected. Not just by being hit in the pocket, but through having to apply for a whiole bunch of bureaucratic nonsense. Like applying for additional driving license, vehicle insurance, visas, health insurance, et al. Not to mention losing your rights to live/work wherever you fancy, if you decide to stay. For us as individuals, Brexit (deal or not) is clearly a big pain with no gain!

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Speculation about levels of tariffs, who and what will pay/cost more (or less?) is all very well if you're into the 'technical' side of trade-deals etc.......Fact is, in a no-deal situation we'll not know for sure how trade pans out if/until it happens.

What is certain, the individual traveller will be adversely affected. Not just by being hit in the pocket, but through having to apply for a whiole bunch of bureaucratic nonsense. Like applying for additional driving license, vehicle insurance, visas, health insurance, et al. Not to mention losing your rights to live/work wherever you fancy, if you decide to stay. For us as individuals, Brexit (deal or not) is clearly a big pain with no gain!

A UK motorist will not need an additional licence until the UK leaves the EU - If the UK leaves with no deal, then motorists will need to purchase and IDP (£5.50) for travel in Europe and other countries. You will not necessarily lose you right to work in Europe - if you have a job in that country and are paid a salary in that country then you will be issued a green card. The conditions are similar for immigrants to the UK, where immigrants will have to apply for citizenship to be allowed to stay.

[The PNP]

A UK motorist will not need an additional licence until the UK leaves the EU - If the UK leaves with no deal, then motorists will need to purchase and IDP (£5.50) for travel in Europe and other countries. You will not necessarily lose you right to work in Europe - if you have a job in that country and are paid a salary in that country then you will be issued a green card. The conditions are similar for immigrants to the UK, where immigrants will have to apply for citizenship to be allowed to stay.

Yes, we'll all have to apply for an international driving license if we step off our island home, unless travelling on foot or bike. I went through all this nonsense once before - prior to us joining the EEC.

Not only that, drivers will also have to notify their ins company before they go. Health cover would be wise to sort out, to avoid potentially massive bills if something goes wrong healthwise.

I'm in the habit of coming and going as I please. Usually dependent on a good weather forecast, when I up and head for a ferry overnight.....Being compelled to apply and wait for replies/documents/postal deliveries etc, is a complete pain and removes all the spontaneity from travelling.

N.B. Pleased to hear I can at least work where I like after we leave. Always fancied setting up a little bike-hire business on the Canal du Midi when I retire..

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Yes, we'll all have to apply for an international driving license if we step off our island home, unless travelling on foot or bike. I went through all this nonsense once before - prior to us joining the EEC.

Not only that, drivers will also have to notify their ins company before they go. Health cover would be wise to sort out, to avoid potentially massive bills if something goes wrong healthwise.

Personally, I am in the habit of coming and going as I please. Usually dependent on a good weather forecast, when I up and head for a ferry overnight.....Being compelled to apply and wait for replies/documents/postal deliveries etc, is a complete pain and removes all the spontaneity from travelling.

N.B. Pleased to hear I can at least work where I like after we leave. Always fancied setting up a little bike-hire business on the Canal du Midi when I retire..

Are you sure about a bike hire business along Canal du Midi? There are already about a dozen such places there and the tow path is not really suitable for cycling since it is a rough route.

[The PNP]

Are you sure about a bike hire business along Canal du Midi? There are already about a dozen such places there and the tow path is not really suitable for cycling since it is a rough route.

Yes sure.....I enjoyed riding it a couple of years ago. Cycled from Toulouse via Carcassonne to the Med, on a fact-finding holiday. I don't know who told you different, but the 'piste' (towpath) is definitely in good shape.

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Yes sure.....I enjoyed riding it a couple of years ago. Cycled from Toulouse via Carcassonne to the Med, on a fact-finding holiday. I don't know who told you different, but the 'piste' (towpath) is definitely in good shape.

Well, it didn't used to be! So what did you do on your bike ride - we took a couple of days doing a similar route because we stopped off in a couple of places to camp.

[The PNP]

Well, it didn't used to be! So what did you do on your bike ride - we took a couple of days doing a similar route because we stopped off in a couple of places to camp.

Had three weeks in France that year, touring her anti-clockwise from Cherbourg on old roads. Used campsites approx once weekly, to take advantage of the facilities - washing machine, showers etc. Otherwise wild camped.

On reaching Toulouse, did towpath eastwards, returning to start of rides by train where possible. Further eastwards, did return legs via back lanes. After reaching the Med, headed North to Avignon, then into Provence. Returned via pleasant Routes Touristic through wine-growing regions.

[local]

Speculation about levels of tariffs, who and what will pay/cost more (or less?) is all very well if you're into the 'technical' side of trade-deals etc.......Fact is, in a no-deal situation we'll not know for sure how trade pans out if/until it happens.

What is certain, the individual traveller will be adversely affected. Not just by being hit in the pocket, but through having to apply for a whiole bunch of bureaucratic nonsense. Like applying for additional driving license, vehicle insurance, visas, health insurance, et al. Not to mention losing your rights to live/work wherever you fancy, if you decide to stay. For us as individuals, Brexit (deal or not) is clearly a big pain with no gain!

As someone who is pro-bike the reality of what happens now should be something you are up to speed with;
Since June 2006, the regular import duty rate on bicycles entering the European Union (EU) from outside Europe is 14%. On all so-called “other” bicycles such as tricycles or unicycles and on bicycles without ball bearings the import duty is 15%. On most bicycle parts it is 4.7%.


https://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulat...759.1555831110

[The PNP]

As someone who is pro-bike the reality of what happens now should be something you are up to speed with;
Since June 2006, the regular import duty rate on bicycles entering the European Union (EU) from outside Europe is 14%. On all so-called “other” bicycles such as tricycles or unicycles and on bicycles without ball bearings the import duty is 15%. On most bicycle parts it is 4.7%.


https://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulat...759.1555831110

The idea, which I support, is to offer some protection from cutprice foreign imports for cycle-makers located within the EU....Even so, most now come from the Far East.

If we leave the EU, I guess any still made here in the UK that we sell into the EU will be subject to import duty though. And any bikes that an individual buys whilst visiting the EU, will have to be declared on returning to the UK.....

[Little Londoner]

I'm in the habit of coming and going as I please. Usually dependent on a good weather forecast, when I up and head for a ferry overnight.....Being compelled to apply and wait for replies/documents/postal deliveries etc, is a complete pain and removes all the spontaneity from travelling.

N.B. Pleased to hear I can at least work where I like after we leave. Always fancied setting up a little bike-hire business on the Canal du Midi when I retire..

Selfish to the core, it is all about YOU what about people who don't go bumming about canals.

[The PNP]

Selfish to the core, it is all about YOU what about people who don't go bumming about canals.

What's selfish about it? Precisely the same problems re coming and going, will exist for everyone in the UK who wants to travel elsewhere.

Of course, for those who never leave their insular UK island home. My earlier comments about introducing needless bureaucratic nonsense, are completely irrelevant.

[seivad]

N.B. Pleased to hear I can at least work where I like after we leave. Always fancied setting up a little bike-hire business on the Canal du Midi when I retire..

After your discourse with Said on the “climate concerns” thread, you should now realise that dependence on the reliability of anything he says is an exercise in insanity! Don’t pack your bags and leave just yet.

You will not necessarily lose you right to work in Europe - if you have a job in that country and are paid a salary in that country then you will be issued a green card.

There is no such thing as a green card, unless you’re going to work in the US. The EU green card scheme is a proposal which would guarantee citizen’s rights for UK citizens already in the EU, and EU citizens in the UK. It is not yet passed into law, nor would it apply to UK citizens wishing to leave the UK to work in the EU after Brexit.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal which includes freedom of movement, UK citizens become 3rd country nationals. As a non-EU country the only option available to people wishing to work in the EU after Brexit, is to apply for a Blue card. If applicants don't meet the three key conditions, they won't get a blue card.

The conditions are similar for immigrants to the UK, where immigrants will have to apply for citizenship to be allowed to stay.

Another load of hooey