Should Sajid Javid be held to account

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Last year it was published that Sajid Javid's uncles were running a British Visa fraud. It has been admitted that a 'few' student visa's had been successful in getting students into the UK, while other applicants claimed that they had paid cash and not received anything.

This organisation was said to have been set up in Pakistan - but one of SJ's uncles involved in the scandal lives in Bristol. Another area in the fraud was arranged marriages to get people into the UK.

There was no comment made when a reporter asked if PM May had been informed that SJ's relatives were in the immigration business.

SJ has publicly sympathised with the Windrush scandal, he said "My parents came to the UK in the 1960's, they came to help rebuild this country (In the 1960's the UK did the Uk need any help??) . When I heard people who are outstanding pillars of the community being impacted for not having the correct documentation, I thought this could have been my own Mother, Father, my uncle, my brother or even me"

SJ himself has had rather a miraculous career, born in 1969, he attended a UK state comprehensive school, then tow years in college and finally he gained a degree in Economics and Politics. While at University he joined the Conservative Party and met up with Jeremy Paxton who interviewed him. Directly after finishing University,at the age of 22, SJ took a position with Chase Manhatton Bank in New York where just three years later he was made a Vice President?? (Such a promotion in any bank, normally takes seven years) SJ returned to London in 1997 and three years later joined the Deutschebank in Germany where he was made a Director in 2000. Four years later he became a Managing Director. (Deutschebank was involved in the LIBOR fraud in 2004.) The following year SJ was made

global head of Emerging Markets Structuring. Pretty good and very fast promotion for a comprehensive schoolboy!

My argument is that all of his family are well aware of who SJ is and his position in the British Government. If his family can show so little respect for SJ's position - then what does that say about the family's values in total? The Visa fraud had been running since 1995 - SJ returned to Pakistan in 1995 to attend his brother's wedding, his uncles were present - SJ claims he knew nothing about his uncles business. Should SJ continue in the position he holds?

[Styx]

Should SJ continue in the position he holds?
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ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat

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ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat

That did not apply to Amber Rudd though, did it? Surely, it is for the Minister to have the decency to recognise the doubt that the situation creates and so to do the honourable thing.

[justbecause]

That did not apply to Amber Rudd though, did it? Surely, it is for the Minister to have the decency to recognise the doubt that the situation creates and so to do the honourable thing.

“Minister”and “so do the honourable thing” in the same sentence....you’re ‘avin’ a laugh.

[Toodles McGinty]

That did not apply to Amber Rudd though, did it? Surely, it is for the Minister to have the decency to recognise the doubt that the situation creates and so to do the honourable thing.

Mail: ‘When I heard that people who are outstanding pillars of their community were being impacted simply for not having the right documents to prove their legal status in the UK, I thought it could be my mum, my brother, my uncle – even me.’

Mail: Amber Rudd was forced to resign after unintentionally misleading MPs over deportation targets.

Has Sajid Javid misled anyone, intentionally or unintentionally? No?

Do you think anyone with a 'miraculous career' would be grubbing around in the dirt for a few hundred quid a pop? No, me neither.

I've dim view on the morality of most politicians, particularly on that side of the House. But guilt by association seems unfair in this case. So what should he be 'held to account' for?

Being of Pakistani origin? For publicly sympathising with the Windrush victims, when it was just 'media hype'?

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Last year it was published that Sajid Javid's uncles were running a British Visa fraud. It has been admitted that a 'few' student visa's had been successful in getting students into the UK, while other applicants claimed that they had paid cash and not received anything.

This organisation was said to have been set up in Pakistan - but one of SJ's uncles involved in the scandal lives in Bristol. Another area in the fraud was arranged marriages to get people into the UK.

There was no comment made when a reporter asked if PM May had been informed that SJ's relatives were in the immigration business.

SJ has publicly sympathised with the Windrush scandal, he said "My parents came to the UK in the 1960's, they came to help rebuild this country (In the 1960's the UK did the Uk need any help??) . When I heard people who are outstanding pillars of the community being impacted for not having the correct documentation, I thought this could have been my own Mother, Father, my uncle, my brother or even me"

SJ himself has had rather a miraculous career, born in 1969, he attended a UK state comprehensive school, then tow years in college and finally he gained a degree in Economics and Politics. While at University he joined the Conservative Party and met up with Jeremy Paxton who interviewed him. Directly after finishing University,at the age of 22, SJ took a position with Chase Manhatton Bank in New York where just three years later he was made a Vice President?? (Such a promotion in any bank, normally takes seven years) SJ returned to London in 1997 and three years later joined the Deutschebank in Germany where he was made a Director in 2000. Four years later he became a Managing Director. (Deutschebank was involved in the LIBOR fraud in 2004.) The following year SJ was made

global head of Emerging Markets Structuring. Pretty good and very fast promotion for a comprehensive schoolboy!

My argument is that all of his family are well aware of who SJ is and his position in the British Government. If his family can show so little respect for SJ's position - then what does that say about the family's values in total? The Visa fraud had been running since 1995 - SJ returned to Pakistan in 1995 to attend his brother's wedding, his uncles were present - SJ claims he knew nothing about his uncles business. Should SJ continue in the position he holds?

Most definitely not...it’s not his fault that he has criminal relatives...
Possibly very embarrassing for him, considering his position..

He hasn’t done anything wrong...

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Most definitely not...it’s not his fault that he has criminal relatives...
Possibly very embarrassing for him, considering his position..

He hasn’t done anything wrong...

How can anyone be sure that he has done nothing wrong? SJ was working at the Deutschebank when it was fined heavily for the Libor fraud, and SJ was present in Pakistan for his brother's wedding, along with his uncles when they started the immigration business?

This is someone who was not born into money, had no obvious British connections and basic political education??

[Alikado]

How can anyone be sure that he has done nothing wrong? SJ was working at the Deutschebank when it was fined heavily for the Libor fraud, and SJ was present in Pakistan for his brother's wedding, along with his uncles when they started the immigration business?

This is someone who was not born into money, had no obvious British connections and basic political education??

On that basis how can we be sure that he wasn't involved in the atrocities in London, he was possibly in London at the same time?

[Albion102]

How can anyone be sure that he has done nothing wrong? SJ was working at the Deutschebank when it was fined heavily for the Libor fraud, and SJ was present in Pakistan for his brother's wedding, along with his uncles when they started the immigration business?

This is someone who was not born into money, had no obvious British connections and basic political education??

Both of my brothers have (had) criminal records, most of my jobs have required extensive background checks, should I resign ? I went to several of their weddings.

It is interesting, in one breath the alt-right will bang on about the "elite" and politicians who've never proved themselves oustide politics, but then get their panties in a bunch when somebody from a humble background who proved their credentials outside politics. I do hope it's nothing to do with him being a P***.

[Hamble]

How can anyone be sure that he has done nothing wrong? SJ was working at the Deutschebank when it was fined heavily for the Libor fraud, and SJ was present in Pakistan for his brother's wedding, along with his uncles when they started the immigration business?

This is someone who was not born into money, had no obvious British connections and basic political education??

Here are the genuine bad asterisks of politics.

https://order-order.com/2019/02/08/l...tower-hamlets/

[silver fox]

I think it's fairly common knowledge that I am no friend of Tory politicians, as far as this guy is concerned make any checks, IF there is then something worthy of investigating, then sure investigate and go for the throat, but to imply wrong doing due to dodgy family or relatives is a dangerous road to go down.

Remember none of us get to chose our relatives.

[Toodles McGinty]

How can anyone be sure that he has done nothing wrong? SJ was working at the Deutschebank when it was fined heavily for the Libor fraud, and SJ was present in Pakistan for his brother's wedding, along with his uncles when they started the immigration business?

This is someone who was not born into money, had no obvious British connections and basic political education??

For example, David Davis wasn't 'born into money'. Liam Fox wasn't 'born into money'. Sajid Javid was born in Rochdale, so probably has the same 'British connections' as those other two. Deutsche Bank wasn't involved in the Libor investigation until 2016. Although even if it had, it could have involved one of the 97000 other employees. Suspecting Sajid Javid is a bit of a push.

And I'm sure Fox and Davis have been to family weddings. So the difference, as far as I can see, is narrowed down to one point: he's a bit brown, isn't he?

Crawl back under your rock, racist prick.

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For example, David Davis wasn't 'born into money'. Liam Fox wasn't 'born into money'. Sajid Javid was born in Rochdale, so probably has the same 'British connections' as those other two. Deutsche Bank wasn't involved in the Libor investigation until 2016. Although even if it had, it could have involved one of the 97000 other employees. Suspecting Sajid Javid is a bit of a push.

And I'm sure Fox and Davis have been to family weddings. So the difference, as far as I can see, is narrowed down to one point: he's a bit brown, isn't he?

Crawl back under your rock, racist prick.

The Deutschebank was fined in 2004! The fraud involved only higher members of the bank.! A Muslim wedding is not like those of western society. The Bride does not even have to be there. The men and women remain separate for the ceremony and the reception. I guess that they spend their hours discussing the weather, don't you? Since otherwise all topics may be discussed and in accordance with the Quran "Abu Huraira narrated that the prophet said: A time will come upon the people when one will not care how one gains money, legally or illegally" (Bukhari)
Anyone who is employed in Government leadership positions - should lead by example and should not give rise to any suspicion of dubious actions. No matter what colour, nor creed - since it is a position of trust. Do you not agree? By the way, your use of the term 'racist' in your post is hypocritical, for by employing this term in the manner that you have, implies that you somehow feel superior to me and my race?
The very definition of the term - [FONT="Open Sans",Tahoma,"DejaVu Sans",sans-serif] "

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another"

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[seivad]

The Deutschebank was fined in 2004! The fraud involved only higher members of the bank.

Yet another example of your accurate & informed facts?

In June 2016 two former Deutsche Bank (Note: 2 words, not one) traders were charged with manipulating interest rates from 2004-2011. They were convicted in October, 2018.

The fine you are talking about was in 2015 ($2.5 billion)

The very definition of the term -

"a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another"

Good grief! Do you never look at what you've posted?

[justbecause]

I think it's fairly common knowledge that I am no friend of Tory politicians, as far as this guy is concerned make any checks, IF there is then something worthy of investigating, then sure investigate and go for the throat, but to imply wrong doing due to dodgy family or relatives is a dangerous road to go down.

Remember none of us get to chose our relatives.

You kept that one quiet, SF.