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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    Here we go again with the clap trap about her being a child when she left. For legal labelling reasons - yes. In reality - no.
    I object to children being used in terrorism.
    Unless these child terrorist sympathisers are prosecuted the adults around them escape and the cycle go's on.

    Are you not curious what Islamic teaching persuades children to leave their home?

    Where did they get the travel money from?

    Who facilitated the journey of children from Turkey to Syria?

    Shamima's formal education ended at 15.
    Was she a bright child or educationally challenged?

    If Shamima had returned whilst still considered a minor under British Law the charges now possible judging her as an adult would have been far less.
    What would not have changed is her British birth right to return.





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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    Here we go again with the clap trap about her being a child when she left. For legal labelling reasons - yes. In reality - no.
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    Never, ever, argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigsby View Post
    I saw this on the net, although obviously written with tongue in cheek there is a certain amount of truth in it.

    A girl from the United Kingdom has been telling her harrowing story about how she accidentally joined ISIS after fleeing to an ISIS stronghold area, finding a member of ISIS and asking them if she could then join ISIS then marrying an ISIS fighter and having his children.
    Perhaps that is what is behind it, a story to tell, bidders form a queue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    I object to children being used in terrorism.
    Unless these child terrorist sympathisers are prosecuted the adults around them escape and the cycle go's on.

    Are you not curious what Islamic teaching persuades children to leave their home?

    Where did they get the travel money from?

    Who facilitated the journey of children from Turkey to Syria?

    Shamima's formal education ended at 15.
    Was she a bright child or educationally challenged?

    If Shamima had returned whilst still considered a minor under British Law the charges now possible judging her as an adult would have been far less.
    What would not have changed is her British birth right to return.
    Typing the word 'children' or 'child' repeatedly in a post does not make your argument any more persuasive - I still maintain that the average fifteen year old is no more a child than my Great Aunt Nellie.

    Taking the rest of your post, without the annoyingly repeated references to children, much of what you say is fair and deserves close consideration.
    A very good interview is circulating on line with a chap who'd fought daesh alongside the Kurds. In this he maintained that the 'foreign' followers of daesh were considered throughout the region as the most dangerous and radical - do I want a single one of those back here - no I do not.
    She and others may have rights with regard to citizenship in law, but, should we feel morally obliged to honour those - again I say no.

    Sometimes what is sensible can be obfuscated by a fog of rights and perceived entitlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    Typing the word 'children' or 'child' repeatedly in a post does not make your argument any more persuasive - I still maintain that the average fifteen year old is no more a child than my Great Aunt Nellie.

    Taking the rest of your post, without the annoyingly repeated references to children, much of what you say is fair and deserves close consideration.
    A very good interview is circulating on line with a chap who'd fought daesh alongside the Kurds. In this he maintained that the 'foreign' followers of daesh were considered throughout the region as the most dangerous and radical - do I want a single one of those back here - no I do not.
    She and others may have rights with regard to citizenship in law, but, should we feel morally obliged to honour those - again I say no.

    Sometimes what is sensible can be obfuscated by a fog of rights and perceived entitlements.
    I respect Your views.
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    Shemima Begun has just been denied return to the UK.

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    Her citizenship has been revoked.

    She can appeal, but I doubt there's any point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Her citizenship has been revoked.

    She can appeal, but I doubt there's any point.
    Interestingly

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    "The basis for the decision in Ms Begum's case is not yet clear.
    Ministers have previously said the Londoner had a right to return to the UK and could not be made stateless by revoking her only citizenship."


    The ruling may be a delaying tactic hoping she(and her odious lawyer) will go away.
    I cannot imagine the family have funds to fight the government.

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    Lawyers are good at finding funds. Three of the Rochdale abusers got over 750k to fund anti extradition ?

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    Apparently she does have dual citizenship
    Never, ever, argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigsby View Post
    Apparently she does have dual citizenship
    According to the press Shemima used her sisters passport to leave the UK and does herself have a dual nationality.

    Great!
    I am not sure if the Gov is applying this retrospectively through her Bangladeshi parent(s) or there is actually a duly Nationality passport
    already in circulation with her name on it.

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    Apparently it is an entitlement of hers because of her Bangladeshi mother, however Bangladesh say they have no knowledge of her.
    Who is bankrolling all the legal costs the family are starting to rack up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Apparently it is an entitlement of hers because of her Bangladeshi mother, however Bangladesh say they have no knowledge of her.
    Who is bankrolling all the legal costs the family are starting to rack up?
    There is no punishment in sending her to Bangladesh.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-sheikh-hasina

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    Hmmm...is this a trend. Daesh losing their grip so now sending back young 'vulnerable' girls with babies to their home country. You have to consider the possibility that they are being sent back to infiltrate other countries whereby they can recruit other people or arrange for their counterparts to join them??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    I object to children being used in terrorism.
    Unless these child terrorist sympathisers are prosecuted the adults around them escape and the cycle go's on.

    Are you not curious what Islamic teaching persuades children to leave their home?

    Where did they get the travel money from?

    Who facilitated the journey of children from Turkey to Syria?

    Shamima's formal education ended at 15.
    Was she a bright child or educationally challenged?

    If Shamima had returned whilst still considered a minor under British Law the charges now possible judging her as an adult would have been far less.
    What would not have changed is her British birth right to return.
    The questions you put forward show that it would be impossible for her to have done what she did without support - it would have been doubtful that she was tempted due to religion, since women are not generally allowed in Mosques. Surely her parents/family must have assisted her and in which case they should all lose the right to a British passport.

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