Southport Groves & bridges

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You could be right! Good thinking!

[Hamble]

Britain from above-old aerial photo's 1950's.

Easier for younger people to see the layout than it is to explain
the route of former railway tracks.


https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EAW010143

[said]

Britain from above-old aerial photo's 1950's.

Easier for younger people to see the layout than it is to explain
the route of former railway tracks.


https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EAW010143

Thanks, Hamble - some interesting views there.

[gsgsgs]

Thanks, Hamble - some interesting views there.

Hope the link works, you can use the map slider to move between modern day and past images & ctrl and mouse wheel to zoom it/out.


https://www.archiuk.com/cgi-bin/build_nls_historic_map.pl?search_location=PR8%202BZ,%20PR82BZ%20in%20Southport,%20Merseyside,%20England&os_series=1&latitude=53.642054&longitude=-3.020980&postcode=PR8%202BZ

[gsgsgs]

Hope the link works, you can use the map slider to move between modern day and past images & ctrl and mouse wheel to zoom it/out.


https://www.archiuk.com/cgi-bin/build_nls_historic_map.pl?search_location=PR8%202BZ,%20PR82BZ%20in%20Southport,%20Merseyside,%20England&os_series=1&latitude=53.642054&longitude=-3.020980&postcode=PR8%202BZ

It should have opened an aerial view of Victoria Park, you can left click and drag the map over to Southport (or anywhere you want to look at) or

https://www.archiuk.com/index_form.htm

This link should let you perform a new search.

[Snig's foot]

Is that MORE friendly advice? The topic was a question as to why 'Groves' were placed as they are now. The Groves referred to, and the only 'Groves' that I know are near Railway lines. Hence, the reason why Railway lines were mentioned and a guess as to the formation of such streets. I am going on history books written in the 18th century, not having been around then - i would not actually know myself. So - do you have any idea as to why these Groves are positioned as they are and in those locations?

I don't know why they are called Groves. However as far as I know all these 'railway' groves are alongside or close to the Manchester-Southport line. I'm going to back to railway history now...It was commonplace in Lancashire for the local landowners (almost always the 'lord of the manor') to make the pioneering railway companies buy not just the land for the railway, but a wide swathe of land on either side. In Liverpool these were often made use of as goods yards, warehouses, timber yards, etc. In Southport there would have been much less call for these, but houses were needed, therefore, I'm guessing that the houses, or at least the roads were laid out by the railway companies (or maybe the landowners...the Fermor-Heskeths were unusual landowners..they supported railways, most did not). The Grove names would ahve made them attractive to prospective house-buyers or tenants, plant a few trees and the vision is complete! But this is all idle speculation on my part.

[Sam066]

no expectation for me at that point, I attempt to walk most places and never utilize a similar course home as there regardless of whether it is further.

[Little Londoner]

I don't know why they are called Groves. However as far as I know all these 'railway' groves are alongside or close to the Manchester-Southport line. I'm going to back to railway history now...It was commonplace in Lancashire for the local landowners (almost always the 'lord of the manor') to make the pioneering railway companies buy not just the land for the railway, but a wide swathe of land on either side. In Liverpool these were often made use of as goods yards, warehouses, timber yards, etc. In Southport there would have been much less call for these, but houses were needed, therefore, I'm guessing that the houses, or at least the roads were laid out by the railway companies (or maybe the landowners...the Fermor-Heskeths were unusual landowners..they supported railways, most did not). The Grove names would ahve made them attractive to prospective house-buyers or tenants, plant a few trees and the vision is complete! But this is all idle speculation on my part.

Why would Southport have large marshalling yards it is a terminus no onward traffic that needs sorting it is not a port so no import export etc. But it did have the goods yard and sidings between Windsor Rd and the Goods Station at Derby Rd/Kensington Rd corner.
There was a large coal siding at Derby Rd also at Meols Cop Hesketh Park and of course Blowick with coal trains for the gas works.

[Alikado]

Why would Southport have large marshalling yards it is a terminus no onward traffic that needs sorting it is not a port so no import export etc. But it did have the goods yard and sidings between Windsor Rd and the Goods Station at Derby Rd/Kensington Rd corner.
There was a large coal siding at Derby Rd also at Meols Cop Hesketh Park and of course Blowick with coal trains for the gas works.

Nearly all stations used to have sidings, Southport used to be a busy terminus in summer particularly when the Flower Show was on with Specials made up of 12 or more coaches arriving from all parts of the country, I remember sitting on the front wall collecting train numbers of engines from distant parts of the country.
Derby Rd goods Depot was an old Passenger Station converted to a goods depot, I remember a 3 wheeled truck with a trailer that distributed Parcels.



I remember Coal yards / sidings at Birkdale, Ainsdale and Formby being operational, I daresay the others had sidings as well. At Blowick apart from servicing the Gas & Electric Works there where also sidings which served the Slaughter House in Hart St, the OAPs bungalows are built on that site now.

[Little Londoner]

Nearly all stations used to have sidings, Southport used to be a busy terminus in summer particularly when the Flower Show was on with Specials made up of 12 or more coaches arriving from all parts of the country, I remember sitting on the front wall collecting train numbers of engines from distant parts of the country.
Derby Rd goods Depot was an old Passenger Station converted to a goods depot, I remember a 3 wheeled truck with a trailer that distributed Parcels.



I remember Coal yards / sidings at Birkdale, Ainsdale and Formby being operational, I daresay the others had sidings as well. At Blowick apart from servicing the Gas & Electric Works there where also sidings which served the Slaughter House in Hart St, the OAPs bungalows are built on that site now.

Yes I know, born in 1950 the son, grandson, and great grandson of Railwaymen. I lived about 50 yards from the railway so had a bit of an idea about what railway was where.