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    The truth behind the Wuhan lab origin of the virus

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...1c0e96ad17da60

    The link above was found by Local and posted on the 'Mad Trump' thread.

    I have posted it here on a new thread so we can stay on topic.

    I have to say that a virus of this seeming ferocity and deadliness could well have been given a human helping hand. Does Local's Torygraph link provide evidence?





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    The problem we have is any mention of Trump on here and some peoples objectivity goes out of the window.

    He does have lest we forget access to intelligence from the mighty CIA.

    The report thankfully is from a joint exercise with other countries,

    US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand

    The Chinese propaganda machine will be in full flow and inevitably they have already issued some thinly veiled threats.

    Trumps concerns about the W.H.O appears to be borne out.

    The way the virus is perplexing scientists from around the world and its effects on the body generally is something we learn of on a daily basis.

    The evidence is certainly smoking around China.

    It isn't from what we know as the "Torygraph"
    Last edited by local; 03/05/2020 at 08:55 AM.

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    The Lab in Yunnan province which borders Myanma (Burma), Vietnam and Laos is over 1,000km from Wuhan. It is a bit of a stretch to think a Bat escaped and flew over 1,000km to Wuhan, the infected Pangolin from Malaysia which also has the type of bats (Wuhan doesn't) in question seems more logical.
    Trumps concerns about The WHO seem no different than other UN organisations, he thinks the US should have control over them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    The Lab in Yunnan province which borders Myanma (Burma), Vietnam and Laos is over 1,000km from Wuhan. It is a bit of a stretch to think a Bat escaped and flew over 1,000km to Wuhan, the infected Pangolin from Malaysia which also has the type of bats (Wuhan doesn't) in question seems more logical.
    Trumps concerns about The WHO seem no different than other UN organisations, he thinks the US should have control over them.


    If you looked at the article you would see its a JOINT intelligence report from US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    I think most objective people would think they have some integrity.

    A study by a group of Chinese scientists published in The Lancet in January revealed that the first COVID-19 patient had no connection to Wuhan’s infamous animal market, and neither did 13 of the first 41 confirmed cases.

    It is certainly something that needs further investigation.


    The Lab currently under suspicion is on the outskirts of Wuhan, the city at the heart of the coronavirus crisis.

    As we have seen the virus has got itself around the world very efficiently never mind Wuhan.
    What else carries it remains to be discovered but a W.H.O that doesn't investigate China thoroughly is letting us all down.

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    Regarding local's post #2:
    1. The report cited in Sydney Australia's Daily Telegraph is titled: Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program. It carefully avoids supporting Trump's claim.
    2. It's evasiveness about the actual source of the "15-page research document" — vaguely alluding to the "Five Eyes intelligence agencies of the United States, Australia, NZ, Canada and the UK" — is significant in that it implies wide support (for Trump). No such consensus is actually evident.
    “The Intelligence Community also concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not man-made or genetically modified. As we do in all crises, the Community’s experts respond by surging resources and producing critical intelligence on issues vital to US national security. The IC will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”
    Despite Mr Grenell’s statement and scientific consensus that the virus was not created in a laboratory, based on its genome sequence the governments’ research paper obtained by The Telegraph notes a study that claims it was created.
    In short neither the article, nor apparently the cited document validate your own slippery suggestion, namely:
    "Trumps observations on China and the Coronavirus seems to have legs;". If anyone's objectivity with respect of Donald Trump "goes out of the window", it is yours.

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    Coincidence?

    Whatever story the Chinese eventually decide on, it's a remarkable coincidence the virus emerged in the same place their virus laboratory is located.....Coincidence or what?
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    There's just the smallest snag.

    On the day Trump made the statement about the lab, the VERY SAME day his own Intelligence Director said they did NOT believe the virus was man-made.

    Trump, of course, said he had HIS OWN intelligence..much as he has had in the past...and one of the reasons why the turnover in his cabinet has been so frequent. Professionals with enormous resources report what they find, and he junks it in favour of what HE WOULD LIKE to find.

    Indeed the US is in such a mess largely because he insists on his version of reality, which in February was that the virus wasn't a big deal. While people he knew told him it was..

    Perhaps his greatest outrage against logic was when, prior to inauguration, he proclaimed there had been no Russian interference in the 2016 election. BEFORE seeing any evidence. And then for two years there was a flood of evidence..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensherman View Post
    There's just the smallest snag.

    On the day Trump made the statement about the lab, the VERY SAME day his own Intelligence Director said they did NOT believe the virus was man-made.

    Trump, of course, said he had HIS OWN intelligence..much as he has had in the past...and one of the reasons why the turnover in his cabinet has been so frequent. Professionals with enormous resources report what they find, and he junks it in favour of what HE WOULD LIKE to find.

    Indeed the US is in such a mess largely because he insists on his version of reality, which in February was that the virus wasn't a big deal. While people he knew told him it was..



    Perhaps his greatest outrage against logic was when, prior to inauguration, he proclaimed there had been no Russian interference in the 2016 election. BEFORE seeing any evidence. And then for two years there was a flood of evidence..

    Why does the virus have to be Man-made for the Lab to be experimenting and "fiddling" with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    Regarding local's post #2:
    1. The report cited in Sydney Australia's Daily Telegraph is titled: Coronavirus NSW: Dossier lays out case against China bat virus program. It carefully avoids supporting Trump's claim.
    2. It's evasiveness about the actual source of the "15-page research document" — vaguely alluding to the "Five Eyes intelligence agencies of the United States, Australia, NZ, Canada and the UK" — is significant in that it implies wide support (for Trump). No such consensus is actually evident.
    In short neither the article, nor apparently the cited document validate your own slippery suggestion, namely:
    "Trumps observations on China and the Coronavirus seems to have legs;". If anyone's objectivity with respect of Donald Trump "goes out of the window", it is yours.


    Could you make yourself clearer then I will respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Could you make yourself clearer then I will respond.
    Dont hold your breath! He/She arrogantly believes that his/her chosen "system" is somehow superior to the tried, tested and easy to understand "reply with quote" method, that everybody else is happy and familiar with.
    Just be yourself, no one else is better qualified!!

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    local's post #9:
    "Could you make yourself clearer then I will respond."
    1. You, local in your post #2, linked to an Australian newspaper article the content of which describes intelligence agencies' trawl of studies prompted by the US President's desperation to distract attention from his own cack-handed interventions in the effort to contain COVID-19. The article explicitly does not vindicate Trump's Wuhan virology lab insinuations.
    2. You remarked also post #2:
      "The problem we have is any mention of Trump on here and some peoples objectivity goes out of the window."
    I question your objectivity.
    You have a keen desire to deflect analysis of President Trump's gaffes, including:
    That is my point it wasn't a stupid question but it most certainly was a musing better carried out in private away from a press who sek to distort his every word.
    Trump's words are dangerous. What is worse, they are motivated by his anxieties that his re-election bid may go off the rails rather than any considerations about the well-being of US citizens and residents!

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    WHO says it has no evidence to support 'speculative' Covid-19 lab theory
    "…Reports in Australia suggested its intelligence officials believed a “dossier” – touted by the Trump administration to support the laboratory theory – was compiled from news reports rather than actual material from the “Five Eyes” spy network of Australia, the US, New Zealand, Canada and the UK."
    "…On Monday the US deputy national security adviser, Matthew Pottinger, sounded a warning to Beijing and asked in a speech – delivered in Mandarin – “whether China today would benefit from a little less nationalism and a little more populism”."

    Five Eyes network contradicts theory Covid-19 leaked from lab
    "There is no current evidence to suggest that coronavirus leaked from a Chinese research laboratory, intelligence sources have told the Guardian, contradicting recent White House claims that there is growing proof this is how the pandemic began.
    The sources also insisted that a “15-page dossier” highlighted by the Australian Daily Telegraph which accused China of a deadly cover up was not culled from intelligence from the Five Eyes network, an alliance between the UK, US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada."

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    Ok I will leave it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick2 View Post
    Dont hold your breath! He/She arrogantly believes that his/her chosen "system" is somehow superior to the tried, tested and easy to understand "reply with quote" method, that everybody else is happy and familiar with.

    Your right so I have chosen not to encourage awkwardness.

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    Ok I will leave it then.
    Is that a retraction?
    Do you acknowledge that Trump administration officials have propagated a highly speculative meme for purely political reasons?
    Will there be no more defence of Trump's erratic behaviour from local?

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