Trump And The Chaina Virus

[Hamble]

— and you assert that Israel wants a genuinely independent Palestine; against masses of evidence.

Israel and Jews and people who are not anti-Semitic do not want to give Radical Islamic Jihad Terrorists any advantage in carrying out their threat
to eradicate the State of Israel and her citizens.



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"Definitely most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian, a rational Palestinian, not a sellout Palestinian, would ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.” – Omar Barghouti, co-founder, BDS

The real aim of BDS is to bring down the State of Israel…this should be stated as an unambiguous goal.” – As’ad AbuKhalil, California State University Professor of Political Science, BDS leader and activist"

Do you support the above?
Will you be lobbying Ben & Jerry's to stop selling in China?

[Hamble]

Earlier in this thread, in post #47, I was surprised to see sGZ mention "The Chinese Communist Party (CCP)". Last year, I recall sGZ admonishing me for mentioning the word 'Communist' in respect of China, on a post where I was critical of the CCP.

As I recall, I'd posted the following jaw-dropping (and mask-dropping) video...

Italian residents hug Chinese people to encourage them in coronavirus fight



As you can see, it was uploaded on February 5th 2020, and has never been taken down once from YouTube, and is still there currently.

I'd pointed out that the YouTube channel on which it's uploaded, CGTN, China Global Television Network, is owned by the Chinese state media China Central Television, under the control of the Propaganda Department of the Chinese Communist Party.

Of all of the aspects that sGZ could have reacted to in my post, his actual concern was that within the context of a disapproving post I had described China as being under Communist control!

Another example of sGZ ignoring the one with the trunk.
Do Muslim lives not matter in the hands of Communist's either?

[sandGroundZero]

As to Trump repeating the "Chaina Virus" claims, he is one of the few who actually saw the US intelligence to support his claim.
He was wrong to blurt it out in his inimitable style but removing the dislike of him from the equation he at least saw that intelligence and Fauci squirming like a stuck pig is at the least a pointer to what MAY have happened.
This ain't over.

This thread has veered into strange territory. To go back:

1. Why did former President Trump insist on labelling SARS-Covid-2 "the China virus"?
   That it was identified first in Wuhan, China was clear enough.
2. Why did the Trump administration choose to focus on the 'lab leak' hypothesis?
   [It's overstatement to call lab leak a 'conspiracy theory' not least because the possibility of pathogen escape vexed some biologists for some time.] Nevertheless
3. …was it prudent for US Administration high officials, especially the President to focus attention on the lab leak when the virus was spreading across the U.S. and around the world?

Our forum colleague, local, has repeatedly insisted that our horror of former President Trump distorted opinions; he, himself, had the habit of denigrating Trump while simultaneously defending him and his allies while rubbishing Trump's critics — e.g. "Fauci squirming like a stuck pig". It reduces to former President Trump's record in office and notably his disastrous handling of the contagion, not least presumably because it threatened his re-election.

[Desert Region]

Trying to get sensible comment on the former President is bordering on the impossible, ostensibly intelligent posters get the mist and their ears to brain channels get muddled.


Even when the video of what he actually said is attached the mule blanket descends and posters go quiet.

It's a shame because when he did (quite often) say and do the worst their words lose weight.

Cry wolf parable springs to mind.

Whereas in Communist China, it seems you're not allowed to cry anything.

There, being a Billionaire won't be enough to save you from the crime of speaking out about "human rights" abuses and the Government "cover up" of the "African swine flu outbreak".

Published today on BBC News:

Outspoken billionaire Sun Dawu jailed for 18 years in China



A prominent Chinese billionaire has been sentenced to 18 years in prison, the latest in a string of punishments against outspoken corporate bosses.

Sun Dawu runs one of the country's largest private agricultural businesses in the northern province of Hebei.

Sun, 67, has in the past spoken out about human rights and politically sensitive topics.

He was found guilty of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble" - a charge often used against activists.

Other charges against him include illegally occupying farmland, assembling a crowd to attack state agencies and obstructing government workers from performing their duties. He was also fined 3.11 million yuan ($478,697; £343,227).

Sun's company is among China's biggest, with businesses ranging from meat processing and pet food to schools and hospitals.

He was reportedly detained last year, along with 20 relatives and business associates, over a land dispute with a government-run farm.

At the time, he said dozens of his employees were injured in an incident with police related to the dispute, according to an AFP report.

Sun is said to be close to some prominent Chinese political dissidents and has in the past criticised the government's rural policies.

He was one of the few people to openly accuse the government of covering up an African swine flu outbreak, which affected his farms in 2019, and later devastated much of the country's industry.

He also was sentenced to prison in 2003, for "illegal fundraising" but the case was overturned after an outpouring of support from activists and the public.

Sun reportedly denied many of the accusations against him in a pre-trial hearing, describing himself as an "outstanding Communist party member".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-58007515

[local]

China's regular outrages overwhelm the former Presidents issues.

Found guilty of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble" while the US bungles on with a lame-duck President and Putin does what he wants.

The media could turn its woke guns on them but don't,they are pathetic we were overloaded with "Pussygate" and fake injection stories all the while China got away quite literally with murder.

Perhaps it's because their Apple products have a brain-numbing chip.

Our Universities are stacked with Chinese "students" who play lip service to learning.

The Chinese are the biggest threat to the West by far.

[Desert Region]

Another example of sGZ ignoring the one with the trunk.

I have been noticing sGZ's editing away of their words, their ignoring of certain points raised, their selective disengagement.

Probably a wise overall strategy, but an unfortunately belated one in that they've already shown their hand.

[Hamble]

I have been noticing sGZ's editing away of their words, their ignoring of certain points raised, their selective disengagement.

Probably a wise overall strategy, but an unfortunately belated one in that they've already shown their hand.

True.

[Desert Region]

"Appeasement" prompts associations with Neville Chamberlain vis-à-vis Nazi Germany which are not appropriate, here.

Neville Chamberlain

In internet discussions, when it comes to using World War II references it's most often Nazi and Hitler that get the most mileage.

It's rare for someone to object to there being a potential for readers to compare them to Neville Chamberlain.

More so when that objector is the same person prompting their association to Neville Chamberlain!

(Btw, it looks like your moustache needs a trim! )

[Hamble]

In internet discussions, when it comes to using World War II references it's most often Nazi and Hitler that get the most mileage.

It's rare for someone to object to there being a potential for readers to compare them to Neville Chamberlain.

More so when that objector is the same person prompting their association to Neville Chamberlain!

(Btw, it looks like your moustache needs a trim! )

Nimbyism!

sGZ is ok with appeasing Terrorists.
pnp is ok with sharing a border with them ....just not here.

[Desert Region]

Nimbyism!

sGZ is ok with appeasing Terrorists.
pnp is ok with sharing a border with them ....just not here.

I can't imagine sGZ being pleased with you implying he has anything as common as a "back yard"!

Instead think: acreage.

[Hamble]

I can't imagine sGZ being pleased with you implying he has anything as common as a "back yard"!

Instead think: acreage.

It would need to be for that elephant he keeps in it.

[Desert Region]

It would need to be for that elephant he keeps in it.

In fairness, it's an easy animal for to keep on the grounds, as he doesn't need to take it for walks and it can drink from the moat.

[Desert Region]

It would need to be for that elephant he keeps in it.

I don't know of any theories on the relationship between the size of a man's pet (or its trunk size) and that owner, but there is that well-known theorem about the relationship between the size of a man's vehicle and the man himself.

[Hamble]

In fairness, it's an easy animal for to keep on the grounds, as he doesn't need to take it for walks and it can drink from the moat.

......dung is useful for filling in the cracks.

[Desert Region]

......dung is useful for filling in the cracks.

Food for thought.

But is recycling dung environmentally friendly?
(As any environmental or ciimate-change related concerns are the global number one pressing concerns to the extreme that no other issue -such as the SARS-CoV-2 origin- can be tackled - well, that is except for the issue of the Middle East crisis, naturally.)