Typical Cyclist

[libraryguy]

A ton or more of steel propelled at 30mph by a powerful engine, is a highly lethal piece of machinery......Those in charge of them need to recognise the horrendous damage it can so easily do, should it make contact with something soft and squishy like a pedestrian or cyclist.

A ton or more of steel propelled at 30mph by a powerful engine, is a highly lethal piece of machinery......Those in charge of a bicycle need to recognise the horrendous damage it can so easily do, should it make contact with something soft and squishy like a pedestrian or cyclist.

Therefore, cyclists should be aware of traffic and not pull out in front of a vehicle, or go through a red light where they could come into contact with it!

[The PNP]

Therefore, cyclists should be aware of traffic and not pull out in front of a vehicle, or go through a red light where they could come into contact with it!

You may be surprised to learn, that in the majority of incidents resulting in squished cyclists, the cyclist was not at fault.

[justbecause]

You may be surprised to learn, that in the majority of incidents resulting in squished cyclists, the cyclist was not at fault.

Yes, in your warped, twisted little bubble, but back in the real world.

[The PNP]

Yes, in your warped, twisted little bubble, but back in the real world.

Check the stats for yourself.....

Only bus and coach drivers were less to blame than cyclists for causing the accident. Car drivers, along with the other groups of motorised road-user were all more to blame than the cyclist according to the DfT.

[The PNP]

Therefore, cyclists should be aware of traffic and not pull out in front of a vehicle, or go through a red light where they could come into contact with it!

Or drive into a shopfront, like a motorist did today in Birkdale!

[justbecause]

Check the stats for yourself.....

Only bus and coach drivers were less to blame than cyclists for causing the accident. Car drivers, along with the other groups of motorised road-user were all more to blame than the cyclist according to the DfT.

Given that the vast majority of vehicles on the roads are cars, simply by the law of averages, they are going to be involved in the highest number of accidents.
As for the car that went through the shop window today, you, just like the rest of us, have no idea of what caused this accident, so you making your flippant unhelpful comment, just goes to show that you are both a bigot, and an ignorant, stupid fool.

[The PNP]

Given that the vast majority of vehicles on the roads are cars, simply by the law of averages, they are going to be involved in the highest number of accidents..

Nah mate, you obviously didn't understand the figures - that's if you even bothered to look......Let's put it this way: In accidents involving cyclists v cars etc, the cyclist was at fault less than 50% of the time.

[carliol]

Therefore, cyclists should be aware of traffic and not pull out in front of a vehicle, or go through a red light where they could come into contact with it!

Of course they should and most do. The careless cyclists tend to get removed. Motorists tend to get away with bad driving.
Some people here are basing conclusions on one or two incidents.
I am both motorist and cyclist, so not biased.

[local]

Or as I have already posted on here the biggest cause of injuries to cyclists is themselves, ie me.

Don't believe the ECO-Dunce he posts specious rubbish.



These injuries caused approximately four times as many serious injuries to cyclists (9,447 in 2008/09) than collisions between cyclists and cars, pick up trucks and vans (1,871), (www.hesonline.nhs.uk). Whilst it is fear of a collision that puts people off cycling, in fact non-collision incidents are the more serious hazard.




https://www.networks.nhs.uk/nhs-netw...g-injuries-ice

[justbecause]

Of course they should and most do. The careless cyclists tend to get removed. Motorists tend to get away with bad driving.
Some people here are basing conclusions on one or two incidents.
I am both motorist and cyclist, so not biased.

Yes, you’re quite right, most cyclists do pull in front of cars, and jump red lights, so yes you’ve just agreed with the previous poster.

[carliol]

Yes, you’re quite right, most cyclists do pull in front of cars, and jump red lights, so yes you’ve just agreed with the previous poster.

Most cyclists do not pull in front of cars, that is ridiculous. If that were the case, there would not be many cyclists left riding. They do tend to be somewhat nonchalant about red lights, I agree, but that occurs usually at a stationary light situation not a moving one.

Yes, most injuries to cyclists are their fault, but we do not have vast numbers of cyclists causing inconvenience to drivers. Cyclists have never annoyed me as a driver, nor should they you if you are competent.

So let's just say we disagree.

[The PNP]

A) Most cyclists do not pull in front of cars, that is ridiculous. If that were the case, there would not be many cyclists left riding. They do tend to be somewhat nonchalant about red lights, I agree, but that occurs usually at a stationary light situation not a moving one.

B) Yes, most injuries to cyclists are their fault, but we do not have vast numbers of cyclists causing inconvenience to drivers. Cyclists have never annoyed me as a driver, nor should they you if you are competent.

A) Which is have I have often said....Cyclists move off 'jump' lights, to get away from the danger zone before traffic behind them sets off and crushes the rider.

B) A figure which is entirely irrelevant to the debate...I'm sure plenty of drivers injure themselves too. By crashing when no other vehicle is involved, or damaging themselves with the car in other ways, e.g. crushing a hand in car door, etc.

The figures that count, are those relating to car v bike accidents. In these instances, according to the DfT motorists have a greater percentage of fault attributed to them, than cyclists do.

[SteveandLois]

The figures that count, are those relating to car v bike accidents. In these instances, according to the DfT motorists have a greater percentage of fault attributed to them, than cyclists do.

Only because the driver is usually the EASIEST one to blame for a cyclist being injured,when in a lot of cases CYCLISTS are at fault....But the way the laws are,is it any wonder that the blame is with the motorists more so than the cyclist................Hence the figures being manipulated.....

[The PNP]

Only because the driver is usually the EASIEST one to blame for a cyclist being injured,when in a lot of cases CYCLISTS are at fault....But the way the laws are,is it any wonder that the blame is with the motorists more so than the cyclist................Hence the figures being manipulated.....

I don't think so.....Police are more likely to take one look at a youth knocked off a bike, suspect he was pulling wheelies, behaving stupidly or whatever......And in absence of any clear evidence otherwise - be inclined to blame him.

There is also the widely circulated myth that riders 'bring it on themselves' which may influence his judgement. We've even seen that on here, i.e. posters who (mistakenly) believe riders are usually to blame. Let's not forget, Police are themselves almost all full-time motorists (except those few who also cycle) and so may tend to side with a driver, who like them is an adult.

[local]

A) Which is have I have often said....Cyclists move off 'jump' lights, to get away from the danger zone before traffic behind them sets off and crushes the rider.

B) A figure which is entirely irrelevant to the debate...I'm sure plenty of drivers injure themselves too. By crashing when no other vehicle is involved, or damaging themselves with the car in other ways, e.g. crushing a hand in car door, etc.

The figures that count, are those relating to car v bike accidents. In these instances, according to the DfT motorists have a greater percentage of fault attributed to them, than cyclists do.

Cyclists who move off to jump red lights put themselves into danger by being where they shouldn't when they shouldn't and are plain wrong.

The figures that matter are the total number of injuries to cyclists and the biggest cause is not motorists.

Trying to target other road users is misleading.

If for once you stuck to the truth you may engender support for real cyclists like me,
as it is I am cursed with the aggravating drivel you spout incessantly.