would you shun the unvaxed

[jamyramy]

given todays climate ,just out of intrest ,how any of you would shun family ,devoted and openly giving friends,if they couldnt or have chosen to not partake of the jab ,given it according to current info ,only prevents severe consequences.

[Alikado]

There is an awful lot that we are not being told about the vaccines, the narrative has changed from preventing infection to easing the the symptoms. Also why have they now purchased over 400 million doses enough for over 7 doses each,. More & more countries are having issues with the AZ vaccine Denmark being the latest to suspend usage following a spate of rare bloodclots, this country has now reported 30 cases out of 18 million vaccinations.
I for one will not be having the second jab it seems pointless and even though the blood clots are rare it doesn't seem worth the risk for little more protection.

[greenmachine]

NO. I would not shun anybody. 99 out of 100 infected dont even have symptoms. The "cure" over the last 12 months in the long term will be seen to have done more harm than good. If the virus is so contageous every person in the UK must by now have had it.

[Toodles McGinty]

There is an awful lot that we are not being told about the vaccines, the narrative has changed from preventing infection to easing the the symptoms. Also why have they now purchased over 400 million doses enough for over 7 doses each,. More & more countries are having issues with the AZ vaccine Denmark being the latest to suspend usage following a spate of rare bloodclots, this country has now reported 30 cases out of 18 million vaccinations.
I for one will not be having the second jab it seems pointless and even though the blood clots are rare it doesn't seem worth the risk for little more protection.

I understand the caution, but I figure that there might be 30 cases of rare blood clots in 18 million people anyway. More in fact, so statistically alone, there's probably less than normal.

I know it isn't as simple as that, and the cases are probably proven to be directly connected. But I still reckon your chances of dying a horrible death are reduced with the vaccine. I'll be having the second, if the difference is only 10% I think it's worth it. But your concerns shouldn't be dismissed. I think (hope) we'll soon get to the stage where it's a one off jab for life.

As to the original question, it's tricky. I can't see me allowing anyone unvaccinated in the house, or throwing my arms around them. I'd be cautious. If 6 months down the road they prove unequivocally the vaccine can eradicate the disease, I'd expect family and close friends to be vaccinated before we went back to anything like normal.

I suppose it's a case of wait and see. We're a long way from the end of this, and there are probably more vaccines in the pipeline.

[The PNP]

I understand the caution, but I figure that there might be 30 cases of rare blood clots in 18 million people anyway. More in fact, so statistically alone, there's probably less than normal.

I don't understand why there's a focus on blood clots, of all things. There will have been many other health issues surface amongst the 18 million jabbed, just as there will have been amongst the 'un-jabbed'. All the usual stuff that comes up, like liver, heart, lung, joints, diabetes, thyroid, arthritis, etc.....But none are being attributed to the jab - except blood clots. Weird or what?

[Toodles McGinty]

I don't understand why there's a focus on blood clots, of all things. There will have been many other health issues surface amongst the 18 million jabbed, just as there will have been amongst the 'un-jabbed'. All the usual stuff that comes up, like liver, heart, lung, joints, diabetes, thyroid, arthritis, etc.....But none are being attributed to the jab - except blood clots. Weird or what?

They must have found a direct connection between blood clots and the vaccine, I assume.

Then again, if you read the warning leaflet, you'd never even take an aspirin.

[donkey22]

NO. I would not shun anybody. 99 out of 100 infected dont even have symptoms. The "cure" over the last 12 months in the long term will be seen to have done more harm than good. If the virus is so contageous every person in the UK must by now have had it.

Wrong. Earlier estimates that 80% of infections are asymptomatic were too high and have since been revised down to between 17% and 20% of people with infections. (https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851)
Put your tin foil hat back on and climb back under your rock.

[greenmachine]

Wrong. Earlier estimates that 80% of infections are asymptomatic were too high and have since been revised down to between 17% and 20% of people with infections. (https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851)
Put your tin foil hat back on and climb back under your rock.

Charming. It must be awfull being so bitter and insecure that there is a constant need to insult and abuse people.

[Hamble]

No I would not shun the unvaccinated who will include our grown up children.

There will be a new stream of unvaccinated as children reach the age 16 or 18 depending on the jab brand.

Some unvaccinated people serving me in shops I will never know about.

[Alikado]

They must have found a direct connection between blood clots and the vaccine, I assume.

Then again, if you read the warning leaflet, you'd never even take an aspirin.

It appears that it is a particular type of very rare type of bloodclot with only a handful of cases normally occurring annually in this country and we have 30 cases in 18.5 million people vaccinated so far, the worrying thing is what happens in the long term, does the vaccine keep causing these clots or is it only in the first 6-8 weeks.

[Toodles McGinty]

It appears that it is a particular type of very rare type of bloodclot with only a handful of cases normally occurring annually in this country and we have 30 cases in 18.5 million people vaccinated so far, the worrying thing is what happens in the long term, does the vaccine keep causing these clots or is it only in the first 6-8 weeks.

It's worth keeping an eye on the developments. Or perhaps waiting for the Moderna or Johnson & Johnson jab to become available here.

Shouldn't be too long now.

[Grassroots.]

I wouldnt shun the unvaccinated, and I didnt as we had family visit us from Manchester. Had a fab barbi , some nice wine and all went well . Two haven't had the jab yet .

[seivad]

It appears that it is a particular type of very rare type of bloodclot with only a handful of cases normally occurring annually in this country and we have 30 cases in 18.5 million people vaccinated so far, the worrying thing is what happens in the long term, does the vaccine keep causing these clots or is it only in the first 6-8 weeks.

I wouldn't worry too much. On March 18th the MHRA first reported 5 cases of blood clots in 11 million people, and stated that all 5 were found in people between the ages of 19 and 59. The case rate was very low at 1 in 2.2 million people.

The current case rate is now 1 in 600,000 people, which is quite an increase. However, if the medical community is correct in its belief that it's primarily those under the age of 55/60 who are prone to this side effect, it makes sense that the number of cases will increase as the number of younger people receiving the vaccine increases. I hope I'm not insulting you! but I think that you're over the age of 60. At this point I wouldn't let it put me off.

EDIT: I should have added that while Canada hasn't received/given many AstraZeneka shots, the 500,000 we've administered have all been given to people over the age of 60. Not a single person got blood clots.

[sandGroundZero]

I wouldn't worry too much. On March 18th the MHRA first reported 5 cases of blood clots in 11 million people, and stated that all 5 were found in people between the ages of 19 and 59. The case rate was very low at 1 in 2.2 million people.
The current case rate is now 1 in 600,000 people, which is quite an increase. However, if the medical community is correct in its belief that it's primarily those under the age of 55/60 who are prone to this side effect, it makes sense that the number of cases will increase as the number of younger people receiving the vaccine increases. I hope I'm not insulting you! but I think that you're over the age of 60. At this point I wouldn't let it put me off.

According to the latest figures from the MHRA, there have been 22 reports of a blood clot in the brain called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) that was accompanied by a low platelet count as well as eight reports of other blood clotting problems with low platelets, among recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab up to and including 24 March. Platelets are fragments in the blood that help it to clot. Of these 30 reports, the MHRA told the Guardian seven people had died.

— 30 reported cases of blood-clotting issues after AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab out of 18m doses

[seivad]

According to the latest figures from the MHRA, there have been 22 reports of a blood clot in the brain called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) that was accompanied by a low platelet count as well as eight reports of other blood clotting problems with low platelets, among recipients of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab up to and including 24 March. Platelets are fragments in the blood that help it to clot. Of these 30 reports, the MHRA told the Guardian seven people had died.

— 30 reported cases of blood-clotting issues after AstraZeneca Covid-19 jab out of 18m doses

I know. Perhaps you didn't notice that I said: 'the current case rate is now 1 in 600,000 people' (18m/30)