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  3. silver-bullet says:16/05/2019 07:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by roving-eye View Post
    The photograph befits the five year term perfectly
    Dismal, desolate no customers and two of the three shops are closed.
    The Southport BID - 'Unashamedly bringing the colour back to Southport'
    Last edited by silver-bullet; 16/05/2019 at 04:08 PM.

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  5. r4dent says:16/05/2019 02:34 PM
    https://www.southportbid.com/faqs/
    How do we know if Southport BID is successful?
    All work undertaken is assessed using a combination of independent footfall reports, business performance, new investment levels, crime statsitics, unit occupation percentage”

    BIDs website is clear about their KPIs (but not so clear about how to spell statistics!) Any chance of showing the improvements (or otherwise) in each of these over the past 5 years. The only one published on their website is the footfall report, and this covers only a two year period (slight fall).

    The definition of a KPI insists on quantitative measurement as I'm sure any organisation involved in development is aware.

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  7. jamyramy says:16/05/2019 07:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by r4dent View Post
    https://www.southportbid.com/faqs/
    How do we know if Southport BID is successful?
    All work undertaken is assessed using a combination of independent footfall reports, business performance, new investment levels, crime statsitics, unit occupation percentage”

    BIDs website is clear about their KPIs (but not so clear about how to spell statistics!) Any chance of showing the improvements (or otherwise) in each of these over the past 5 years. The only one published on their website is the footfall report, and this covers only a two year period (slight fall).

    The definition of a KPI insists on quantitative measurement as I'm sure any organisation involved in development is aware.
    the big big answer of the bids success is are we now in a better place than its contentious instigation five years ago .a quick look at any weeks trading for most payees is the answer to that one!promises promises don't pay those rents,or greet those customers .well its the same rhetoric we had then to now.same disparagement and discrimination to its paying discenters ,still as user unfriendly,and absence of communication.but please please oh please again take the bother to vote with your opinion as to its value for buck .then we can get the true picture,then move forward with or without.

  8. r4dent says:17/05/2019 07:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jamyramy View Post
    the big big answer of the bids success is are we now in a better place than its contentious instigation five years ago .a quick look at any weeks trading for most payees is the answer to that one!promises promises don't pay those rents,or greet those customers .well its the same rhetoric we had then to now.same disparagement and discrimination to its paying discenters ,still as user unfriendly,and absence of communication.but please please oh please again take the bother to vote with your opinion as to its value for buck .then we can get the true picture,then move forward with or without.
    All I'm asking in that BID publish Performance information that they say is how they should be measured. The decisions include objective data and not just subjective memories. Then we can get the true picture,then move forward with or without.

    Bid say this is how they assess success, all I ask is to see the results.

  9. thediscovolante says:17/05/2019 04:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by roving-eye View Post
    iv lived (on lord st), shopped, worked, and socialised in southport town centre since the sixties,,,it was the best town in the country and i loved it to bits....until...pedstrianisation,,car parking charges,,eager traffic wardens,,for gods sake you could park outside boots or the the town hall and shop and have lunch, park in wesley st etc and buy something....now we never ever ever dare go into the town...pay to park, closed roads, bus only roads, long walks to shops, traffic wardens, ..the only way to bring back the town centre is to put it back to how it was....but we know the doo gooders will never do that,,they prefer empty buses cramming lord st going to empty park and ride etc places, empty lord st gardens, empty arcades...boots and m+s sainsburys are under financial pressure and you must realise they will close town centre stores....then thats it,,,its over...the town centre commitee is farcical...deckchairs on the titanic

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  11. silver-bullet says:17/05/2019 09:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by thediscovolante View Post
    iv lived (on lord st), shopped, worked, and socialised in southport town centre since the sixties,,,it was the best town in the country and i loved it to bits....until...pedstrianisation,,car parking charges,,eager traffic wardens,,for gods sake you could park outside boots or the the town hall and shop and have lunch, park in wesley st etc and buy something....now we never ever ever dare go into the town...pay to park, closed roads, bus only roads, long walks to shops, traffic wardens, ..the only way to bring back the town centre is to put it back to how it was....but we know the doo gooders will never do that,,they prefer empty buses cramming lord st going to empty park and ride etc places, empty lord st gardens, empty arcades...boots and m+s sainsburys are under financial pressure and you must realise they will close town centre stores....then thats it,,,its over...the town centre commitee is farcical...deckchairs on the titanic
    Here! here! Well said!! At last- someone with common sense!!
    This is an issue which I have brought up with our local MP...we need a period of free parking to encourage shoppers back to our town.
    It's pretty simple to see that wherever there is free, ample, threat free parking, there are people shopping!
    This is why out of town shopping is so attractive to customers...they can shop, drink coffee, relax or eat without the need to rush to their cars, for fear of a huge parking fine!
    It's very easy to implement by adapting parking meters to issue a ticket to start the free parking period.
    Lost revenue!! I hear people shout...
    Well, as there are less people parking in town, with bays empty at times, revenue is already dwindling!
    I have conducted my own survey this week...
    Monitoring cars parked where I work, my rudimentary findings are quite interesting.
    Three of the cars in the parking bay are permit holders..one or two have paid tickets- but the majority of cars parked were displaying Blue badges ( no revenue there?!)
    This continued most days...more blue badges than pay & display tickets.
    1994 was a bad year, the start of the decline - for this is when Sefton Council made the entire town centre a pay and display zone. Then gradual increases forced more and more shoppers, motorists and visitors away to places where they are welcomed not fined!

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  13. Ceam says:18/05/2019 10:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by r4dent View Post
    All I'm asking in that BID publish Performance information that they say is how they should be measured. The decisions include objective data and not just subjective memories. Then we can get the true picture,then move forward with or without.

    Bid say this is how they assess success, all I ask is to see the results.

    What data can they produce? It's all subjective. Who knows what would have been if BID hadn't tried the things that they have? Town centres around the country are all suffering. Shopping habits have changed, that about the only fact available.

  14. salus.populi says:18/05/2019 12:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by thediscovolante View Post
    iv lived (on lord st), shopped, worked, and socialised in southport town centre since the sixties,,,....now we never ever ever dare go into the town...
    So you never ever dare go into town despite living in the town centre?

  15. r4dent says:18/05/2019 04:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceam View Post
    What data can they produce? It's all subjective. Who knows what would have been if BID hadn't tried the things that they have? Town centres around the country are all suffering. Shopping habits have changed, that about the only fact available.
    On their web page BID are very specific about what data they will collect and use to monitor their achievements. These are their Performance Indicators not mine. All I ask is that they publish the information that they say is used to monitor their performance. I don't know if BID are doing what they set out to do (no targets as far as I am aware) or making things worse but at least we will see if the are taking steps in the right direction. I believe in objectivity and that is what I'm asking for.
    https://www.southportbid.com/faqs/
    "How do we know if Southport BID is successful?All BID activity is actively monitored. All work undertaken is assessed using a combination of independent footfall reports, business performance, new investment levels, crime statsitics, unit occupation percentage. In addition to this visitor perception surveys are carried out and active consultation is ongoing to consult with BID members and stakeholders to assess the performance and efficiency of programmes."

  16. jamyramy says:18/05/2019 08:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by r4dent View Post
    On their web page BID are very specific about what data they will collect and use to monitor their achievements. These are their Performance Indicators not mine. All I ask is that they publish the information that they say is used to monitor their performance. I don't know if BID are doing what they set out to do (no targets as far as I am aware) or making things worse but at least we will see if the are taking steps in the right direction. I believe in objectivity and that is what I'm asking for.
    https://www.southportbid.com/faqs/
    "How do we know if Southport BID is successful?All BID activity is actively monitored. All work undertaken is assessed using a combination of independent footfall reports, business performance, new investment levels, crime statsitics, unit occupation percentage. In addition to this visitor perception surveys are carried out and active consultation is ongoing to consult with BID members and stakeholders to assess the performance and efficiency of programmes."
    just a moment to announce,after many enquiring it appears that many of bid payees have yet to receive those vital voting papers,some have had differing addresses to which to return their paper.are we seeing a return to its first contenciousness of its first ballot we ask!

  17. Ceam says:18/05/2019 11:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by r4dent View Post
    On their web page BID are very specific about what data they will collect and use to monitor their achievements. These are their Performance Indicators not mine. All I ask is that they publish the information that they say is used to monitor their performance. I don't know if BID are doing what they set out to do (no targets as far as I am aware) or making things worse but at least we will see if the are taking steps in the right direction. I believe in objectivity and that is what I'm asking for.
    https://www.southportbid.com/faqs/
    "How do we know if Southport BID is successful?All BID activity is actively monitored. All work undertaken is assessed using a combination of independent footfall reports, business performance, new investment levels, crime statsitics, unit occupation percentage. In addition to this visitor perception surveys are carried out and active consultation is ongoing to consult with BID members and stakeholders to assess the performance and efficiency of programmes."

    Could always try here, If your that interested.
    https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of...mation-request

  18. r4dent says:19/05/2019 08:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceam View Post
    Could always try here, If your that interested.
    https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of...mation-request
    Good idea, but commercial organisations (including Southport BID) are not covered by FOI.



    By the way "your" = belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing. e.g. "what is your name?"

    "You're" is a shortened form of "You are"




  19. thediscovolante says:19/05/2019 05:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    So you never ever dare go into town despite living in the town centre?
    im sorry for the confusion salus...i moved from the town centre in 2003 out to churchtown......but my best memories will always be the old town centre 60s 70s 80s 90s...the pony rider burger shop...the ship inn on our motorbikes outside...the scarisbrick various bars...the kingsway with the risk you may not get in..(rip tony adams)..as a child the open air pool,,the whole promenade frontage..my mum parking outside the arts centre/boots etc and we all explored...i now really want to shop and stroll into our town but...i wont risk driving and parking and risk being fined and punished...the centre is now just charity shops traffic wardens and dodgy people...

  20. Ceam says:19/05/2019 07:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by r4dent View Post
    Good idea, but commercial organisations (including Southport BID) are not covered by FOI.



    By the way "your" = belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing. e.g. "what is your name?"

    "You're" is a shortened form of "You are"




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