New Conservative MP for Southport Damien Moore has been criticised for helping to vote down an end to the public sector wage freeze.

In a close Commons vote on Wednesday a proposal to end the 1% limit on rises in public sector pay was voted down by Conservative and DUP MPs including Mr Moore. The limit has been in place now for 5 years.

"The public and all other parties recognise this freeze has gone on too long,” said Lib Dem council group leader, Cllr Sue Mc Guire who campaigned for an end to the freeze during the general election.

”But this is a double blow for a town like Southport that has a high number percentage of public sector workers in the working population.

Nurses, teachers, civil servants and emergency service staff use local shops and services and are feeling the pinch and cutting back on spending. Added to which there are recruitment shortages in the local NHS and school system.

People are to be judged by their actions and not their words and Mr Moore must explain his actions to the people of Southport and in particular those who face further years of below inflation pay and are genuinely getting poorer.

He has failed his first test."

So he's deemed to have "failed" by the sore loser Sue McGuire.... Quelle surprise!

It looks like the subject of public sector pay and "austerity" is likely to dominate politics for the foreseeable future. I suppose the choice we have is either to spend our way out of debt (currently around £1.8 trillion and rising) by increasing that debt even further or try to somehow reduce it by continuing to limit public spending, aka "austerity." Either way the taxpayer will be left to foot the bill sooner or later. There's nobody else!

Well for the last few weeks we have heard nothing but praise from this Hapless Government for Police/Fire/Ambulance/Hospital/Armed Forces personnel. So to see them Cheering and Waving at the result of the vote to keep these people from earning a DECENT living made me feel sick. How anyone can scrape so low as to vote for these vile inbreds is beyond my comprehension.

Originally Posted by roving-eye

New Conservative MP for Southport Damien Moore has been criticised for helping to vote down an end to the public sector wage freeze.

In a close Commons vote on Wednesday a proposal to end the 1% limit on rises in public sector pay was voted down by Conservative and DUP MPs including Mr Moore. The limit has been in place now for 5 years.

"The public and all other parties recognise this freeze has gone on too long,” said Lib Dem council group leader, Cllr Sue Mc Guire who campaigned for an end to the freeze during the general election.

”But this is a double blow for a town like Southport that has a high number percentage of public sector workers in the working population.

Nurses, teachers, civil servants and emergency service staff use local shops and services and are feeling the pinch and cutting back on spending. Added to which there are recruitment shortages in the local NHS and school system.

People are to be judged by their actions and not their words and Mr Moore must explain his actions to the people of Southport and in particular those who face further years of below inflation pay and are genuinely getting poorer.

He has failed his first test."

Ah, now we know where sympathies lie and the reason why certain people are ineffective in their chosen application.
I disagree with the views above. The Public services are already paid far higher than the private sector even though they contribute nothing to the economy. The Police, Fire and Medical staff do an excellent job that none could do without - that is true - but their wage rises should be organised from within the public sector by reducing the wages of overpaid staff to contribute to the emergency staff wages.
The Public Sector includes a huge number of staff who are engaged on nothing more than general office duties. Duties that could be undertaken by juniors and would be paid no more than the minimum wages in any other sector. These people do not have to sit employment suitability tests, nor are they required to have passed any school exams. Promotion within the Public Sector administration is due to the length of time spent in the service or by peer association - in the Private sector promotion is given to those who are higher trained. Office managers in the Public Service are paid ridiculously high salaries compared to those in the Private sector even though it is the Private sector who do contribute to the economy.
It is time for the public sector to completely overhaul their own wages system and make it fairer and far more efficient as every other organisation is having to do. Reduce the salaries of those who are overpaid to increase the salaries of those who are engaged in jobs where there is far more risk involved.

Originally Posted by roving-eye

New Conservative MP for Southport Damien Moore has been criticised for helping to vote down an end to the public sector wage freeze.

In a close Commons vote on Wednesday a proposal to end the 1% limit on rises in public sector pay was voted down by Conservative and DUP MPs including Mr Moore. The limit has been in place now for 5 years.

"The public and all other parties recognise this freeze has gone on too long,” said Lib Dem council group leader, Cllr Sue Mc Guire who campaigned for an end to the freeze during the general election.

”But this is a double blow for a town like Southport that has a high number percentage of public sector workers in the working population.

Nurses, teachers, civil servants and emergency service staff use local shops and services and are feeling the pinch and cutting back on spending. Added to which there are recruitment shortages in the local NHS and school system.

People are to be judged by their actions and not their words and Mr Moore must explain his actions to the people of Southport and in particular those who face further years of below inflation pay and are genuinely getting poorer.

He has failed his first test."

Sue McGuire does not seem to comprehend that by taking money from the public purse to pay more to overpaid administative staff is to reduce the amount of money being invested into business, education and training that would provide many more people with the opportunity to have employment! All the general public hear constantly is the whinging of the Civil servants about their wage rises. The private sector are themselves having to struggle, they are having to live on even lower wages - the private sector cannot strike because (a)they would lose money by doing so (b) because they know that by doing so they would let other people down and (c) it is not in their nature to whinge.
The NHS is continually running at a loss every year. This system is presently being streamlined to reduce and balance the deficits in preference to continually throw money at it - the resources it has would be wasted on engaging additional staff.
The Schools do not require so many professional teachers now - Government interference in the education system combined with the frantic need to remain within Ofsteds grading guide levels, has created an educational system that follows set written and timed lesson procedures for every single class - to manage a class one only needs to follow these procedures. Variations are not allowed since these may affect the Ofsted grading.

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

Well for the last few weeks we have heard nothing but praise from this Hapless Government for Police/Fire/Ambulance/Hospital/Armed Forces personnel. So to see them Cheering and Waving at the result of the vote to keep these people from earning a DECENT living made me feel sick. How anyone can scrape so low as to vote for these vile inbreds is beyond my comprehension.

There's nothing wrong with public sector workers being paid more but like I said before any increased expenditure has to come from somewhere. The problem many people have with the Labour party is their stated policy that all the extra money they want spending can be met from corporation tax increases and making the so called better off pay "a little more." That is clearly ludicrous. If we want to spend the sort of money that Labour are proposing then every single tax payer in the country will need to pay more tax, and probably a lot more tax.

Nose in the trough for Damian, but not for overworked public workers.

Noted for the next election.

Originally Posted by Nash

Nose in the trough for Damian, but not for overworked public workers.

Noted for the next election.

I think you will find that MP's pay is a hell of a lot less than many Head Teachers seem to be paying themselves. £100,000 plus a year and then claiming they have to rattle buckets outside school for more cash.

Noses in the trough indeed!

Originally Posted by said

The Public services are already paid far higher than the private sector even though they contribute nothing to the economy. The Police, Fire and Medical staff do an excellent job that none could do without -.

Perhaps you can explain what the private sector equivalent of the Police and Fire Service are so we can compare pay?
Contribute nothing to the economy? Shall we do away with them then and see how the economy fares without them?

Originally Posted by Mr. Brightside

Perhaps you can explain what the private sector equivalent of the Police and Fire Service are so we can compare pay?
Contribute nothing to the economy? Shall we do away with them then and see how the economy fares without them?

I'm not sure there is a private sector equivalent to the Fire Service. The only private sector equivalent to the Police I can think of are those in the private security industry who are paid considerably less than the Police and most certainly do not enjoy the same pension entitlements.

Originally Posted by abbeyroad

I'm not sure there is a private sector equivalent to the Fire Service. The only private sector equivalent to the Police I can think of are those in the private security industry who are paid considerably less than the Police and most certainly do not enjoy the same pension entitlements.

And do you think the private security industry should be paid the same as the Police given that they don't have the same authority of responsibilities?

Originally Posted by Mr. Brightside

And do you think the private security industry should be paid the same as the Police given that they don't have the same authority of responsibilities?

No. I was simply responding to your previous question.

The article on the amount paid out by Southport Hospital following the whistleblowing states £ 819k was paid to interim directors - unbelievable! The NHS needs to cut costs and stop wasting our money. Why does the media keep saying that nurses are on low pay when a qualified nurse (Band 5) starts on £ 22k (2017/18) and they have increments within this band rising up to £ 28k (2016/17). These increments are usually annual, depending on their performance. Senior nurses, etc, earn higher amounts. On top of this Public Sector workers get fantastic pensions - something we can only dream of in the private sector. If they want an increase in wages, then reduce the pension contributions. They contribute themselves, but they would never get the pension and huge lump sum they get with a Public Sector pension in the private sector. There are thousands of people being paid minimum wage and on zero hour contracts in difficult working conditions doing mundane jobs with no prospect of career advancement. I will save my sympathy for those people. Here are the increments paid within each Bandfor NHS staff: https://nursingnotes.co.uk/agenda-ch...les-2017-2018/

Originally Posted by Nash

Nose in the trough for Damian, but not for overworked public workers.

Noted for the next election.

Cllr Maguire seems to be forgetting the last lib dem MP for southports voting record that wasn't exactly in the people of southports interest:

http://www.southportlabour.org.uk/so...mp_s_appalling

Seem to have a short memory, surprised though Cllr Dawson hasn't released a press statement on the hospital sackings as he loves to use that as his key chance to get his face in the news.

In terms of noses in trough you could say setting up private printing societies or re-renting of offices from lib dems and getting a donation is much closer to a "nose in the trough" as the MPs whether we agree or not aren't exactly getting a back hander

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2013/...ies-explained/

https://order-order.com/2013/11/14/c...re-re-renting/

Maybe at a stretch could think it odd that cllrs paid as cllrs think they need to tell us they'll keep doing their jobs despite MP going:

http://southport.qlocal.co.uk/southp...n-55021864.htm