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  1. Published on: 05/05/2017 06:33 AMReported by: roving-eye
    Local dog walkers have launched a petition against Sefton Council who want to ban dogs from being off their leash in public places.



    The Council is seeking powers that will enable it to stop dogs from being exercised off lead in public places including parks, woodlands, sand dunes and beaches. We do not want them to do this!

    Why is this important?

    Dogs have a right to appropriate exercise under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. The RSPCA and Kennel Club agree that this includes regular off lead exercise and socialisation. The Council is seeking powers to ban this in almost all public spaces and make it a criminal offence.

    It is a disproportionate blanket approach and does not address the lack of resources to tackle real issues of concern such as dog fouling and irresponsible ownership.

    There are better balanced and more effective ways of working with dog owners and the community. It will have a negative impact on dogs and on people by creating a disincentive to use our countryside and adopt a healthy lifestyle of regular exercise.

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...ime=1492766131

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  3. FormbyHightown says:05/05/2017 07:02 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by roving-eye View Post

    There are better balanced and more effective ways of working with dog owners and the community. It will have a negative impact on dogs and on people by creating a disincentive to use our countryside and adopt a healthy lifestyle of regular exercise.

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...ime=1492766131
    Such as?

    Because dogs have a right to appropriate exercise doesn't mean that Local Authorities don't also have "a right" to ban them.

    Do dogs have the right or is it owners who have a responsibility to exercise their dogs?

    I'm not for banning the exercising of dogs but hiding behind "rights" does not progress the petitioners' position.

    I also have sympathy for people who like to go for a walk and remain umolested by dogs.

  4. cotton man says:05/05/2017 08:51 AM
    I totally agree with all that the council wishes to do about the control of dogs. All dogs should be muzzled and on a lead in public places.
    Two weeks ago I was almost knocked of my bike by a dog running out of trees at the side of the nature reserve path. The owners were screaming at dog to return to them, orders which it ignored.
    Over the years I have had problems whilst running and riding with dogs and so have many of members of cycling groups. Last summer I watched a young woman being harassed by an out of control dog while exercising her horse on the beach. Again the owners were miles away and their "control "was useless. Dogs must be on leads and kept of the nature reserve, beaches parks and children's play areas.

  5. VB123 says:05/05/2017 09:00 AM
    Their proposals did not include a "blanket" ban on dogs being off their leads in all public places, but in picnic areas, all public footways/roads, play areas, designated sports fields, sections of beaches (which we already have), areas with livestock, etc. It did not state that dogs would have to be kept on leads in all places, so unless this all changed after consultation/debate, then I am not sure the report is correct. I agree that dogs should be kept off or kept on a lead in all areas that were in the proposals (particularly play areas/sports fields - after having to clear a load of dog muck from football pitches before youth matches could take place over the years). Here are the proposals that were posted on Sefton's website -
    https://www.sefton.gov.uk/news/publi...ion-order.aspx

  6. Disturbed says:05/05/2017 09:08 AM
    all dogs should be on a lead when in a public place. there is nothing worse than some dog running up to you sniffing around followed by some grinning owner who thinks its the norm.

  7. Lamparilla says:05/05/2017 09:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Disturbed View Post
    all dogs should be on a lead when in a public place. there is nothing worse than some dog running up to you sniffing around followed by some grinning owner who thinks its the norm.
    Or leaping up at you and barking, as happened to me on Crosby Road recently. This was two dogs, both on leads, but the owner had no control over them other than to try and drag them away, pathetically saying "stop it, stop it", which the dogs completely ignored.

    A lead may be a physical restraint, but the most effective restraint is proper training.

  8. said says:05/05/2017 11:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by roving-eye View Post
    Local dog walkers have launched a petition against Sefton Council who want to ban dogs from being off their leash in public places.



    The Council is seeking powers that will enable it to stop dogs from being exercised off lead in public places including parks, woodlands, sand dunes and beaches. We do not want them to do this!

    Why is this important?

    Dogs have a right to appropriate exercise under the Animal Welfare Act 2006. The RSPCA and Kennel Club agree that this includes regular off lead exercise and socialisation. The Council is seeking powers to ban this in almost all public spaces and make it a criminal offence.

    It is a disproportionate blanket approach and does not address the lack of resources to tackle real issues of concern such as dog fouling and irresponsible ownership.

    There are better balanced and more effective ways of working with dog owners and the community. It will have a negative impact on dogs and on people by creating a disincentive to use our countryside and adopt a healthy lifestyle of regular exercise.

    https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...ime=1492766131
    If all dog owners had bothered to get their dogs trained, there would be less of a problem. I can honestly say that a trained dog is a rarity in Southport. Where young children are likely to be present - dogs should be on a lead. There are ample places for dog owners to take their animals where the dog can run wild and free, people just have to take the trouble to get there.

  9. pedoja says:05/05/2017 01:18 PM
    I agree, all dogs should be on a lead when out in public places.

  10. iggsy says:05/05/2017 04:38 PM
    I can't agree with all of these people posting about "Uncontrolled dogs ruining my walk...."
    I was lucky enough to get a puppy last year for the first time, at the ripe old age of 52! It's had a life changing and life enhancing impact on both me and my families life and we're all the better because of him.
    He's been trained from a young age to respond to a whistle and is obedient and controlled whether on or off his lead and poses no threat to anyone around him.
    I've spent the last year walking him on the beach between Ainsdale and Formby, as well as in the Birkdale dunes and the old coastal sea wall and he has brought nothing but joy to both myself and anyone who meets him. His lust for life is infectious and he more happy with a stick or a ball than any spoilt child with an Xbox.
    Why should he not enjoy the open spaces our town has to offer, he causes no harm and as a responsible pet owner I always clean up after him.
    Are we to turn our anger against cat owners next for decimating our songbird population, or do we risk the anger of the blue rinse,nimby's this town seems to be good at creating.
    How about stopping children from playing in the park because they're too noisy and clearly having too much fun.
    We live in a town that is a shadow of its former self, with shops closing, drunks wandering the streets and crime rife if these pages are to be believed.
    Is it not time to focus on what is important to provide a greater way of life for those of us living here, rather than trying to stigmatise people who are enjoying a walk with a faithful companion.
    Those people who are trying to treat dog owners as social pariahs, take a good look at yourself. Is your life so shallow you would deny the pleasure of a dog running free on a clear beach.

  11. local says:05/05/2017 04:51 PM
    Clearly dog owners will want to run their dogs but to those who haven't got one they suffer with the effects of the minority who have ill behaved dogs and don't clear up after them they are doing responsible owners a disservice.
    I went past Birkdale Common early this morning and watched a man in ghastly lycra shorts pushing a small pram and letting his two brown dogs foul the common and not pick up after them.

  12. bensherman says:05/05/2017 05:28 PM
    We came here 3 years ago and for most of that time have walked our dog at either the Velvet Trail or on the land between Hillside and Birkdale courses.

    The very great majority of people who use those areas are responsible and intelligent dog owners. We have never seen anyone attacked or even annoyed by a dog, but sadly some times some owners do not clear up their dog's mess.

    At Birkdale, as it is a long linear walk, our dog often excretes within the first 500 metres or so. Rather than turn back to put it in the bin at the car park they put the bag at the side of the path to collect on the way back. But in fact returning owners often pick up other peoples' bags to get rid of them, so they are on the ground for the minimum time. And we do the same for others.

    We told the council 2 years ago that if they put another bin further into the walk, even this practice would not be necessary.

    Rather than make this simple arrangement they have gone into this expensive and controversial proposal.

    By all means deal with fouling in public places. Ensure that dogs being walked along roads are on leads. But what is being proposed here harms the great majority of responsible owners.

  13. Dutchgirl says:05/05/2017 06:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by iggsy View Post
    Those people who are trying to treat dog owners as social pariahs, take a good look at yourself. Is your life so shallow you would deny the pleasure of a dog running free on a clear beach.
    You are clearly in the minority in my experience. I take exception to running dogs free when one finds pleasure in running up and humping my leg!

  14. FormbyHightown says:05/05/2017 06:22 PM
    This petition is not about dog-fouling or the clean-up practices of dog owners.

    This is not about dogs walking with their owners.

    This is about dogs being kept on a lead, which does not necessarily mean they are under control, in public spaces.

  15. iggsy says:05/05/2017 06:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchgirl View Post
    You are clearly in the minority in my experience. I take exception to running dogs free when one finds pleasure in running up and humping my leg!
    If this is a regular occurrence, you may need to think about changing your perfume....

  16. Seashells&sand says:05/05/2017 07:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by iggsy View Post
    If this is a regular occurrence, you may need to think about changing your perfume....
    Haha I was thinking the same thing. Never, in all my years have I experienced this!!


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