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    VANNY - Early 19th Century Bust Length Portrait Depicting A Gentleman In A Brown Coat

    Good evening Vanny.

    This is a new piece I acquired relatively recently from a auction company who catalogued this piece as by a "follower of Sir Joshua Reynolds". Since reeving the goods I have thought this attribution is not fair as the canvas was being sold be Tom Brown who dates to around c.1805 at the earliest and Reynolds was long gone by then.

    Since this, I am now starting to look around the work of another President of the R.A. Sir Martin Archer Shee.

    It is a shame about the damage.

    Thank you in advance for all help issued with regard to this subject.

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    I don't see why it couldn't be a follower of Joshua Reynolds, They didn't have to follow him to the grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scutch
    I don't see why it couldn't be a follower of Joshua Reynolds, They didn't have to follow him to the grave.
    Good point, explained so eloquently.
    Last edited by Advanced; 08/06/2010 at 10:13 PM.

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    lot of damage....... looks like war shrapnel.
    been kept in some ones bunker.

    how much did you pay under £70 or over

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman
    lot of damage....... looks like war shrapnel.
    been kept in some ones bunker.

    how much did you pay under £70 or over
    I tihink it laughable that you think that you could buy a early 19th Century OIL painting of this quality and size for under £70 if it was catalogued as follower of Sir Joshua Reynolds. I have been quoted a much higher price from a good auction house and aim to seek to sell it there. Thank you for the help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Advanced
    I tihink it laughable that you think that you could buy a early 19th Century OIL painting of this quality and size for under £70 if it was catalogued as follower of Sir Joshua Reynolds. I have been quoted a much higher price from a good auction house and aim to seek to sell it there. Thank you for the help.
    I could not see any of the top auction houses undertaking the sale of this picture.

    A regional auction house would give an estimate of £70-£100.

    This may not be what you want to hear........

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanman
    I could not see any of the top auction houses undertaking the sale of this picture.

    A regional auction house would give an estimate of £70-£100.

    This may not be what you want to hear........
    Not really, I acknowledge your opinion and am grateful it, I just don't happen to agree with it as I have been quoted by a "good" auction company a lot more than £70 - £100, not wanting to specify their name for obvious reasons...

    I think it all boils down to how people judge art differently as it is such a difficult field to judge as you never can hardly be sure if your painting is right or not and it is not like a piece of china which has a book value, each different art is speculative in what it may realise. You could purchase something from a provincial sale and put it into another provincial sale and for it to realise over double what was initially paid.

    I don't think I will have the luck of purchasing something from Chrisites as a German school oil painting and for it to actually turn out to be a school of Leonardo da Vinci though? Did you hear about that story Vanny?

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    What's the reason for not naming the auction house? The more people biding the merrier right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scutch
    What's the reason for not naming the auction house? The more people biding the merrier right?
    Well really I think the information provided is confidential and not to use their name to endorse my product in any way...

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    I can see that, but when you actually list it there wouldn't be a conflict of interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scutch
    I can see that, but when you actually list it there wouldn't be a conflict of interest.
    You can take my word for it or not, I don't mind. I have my reasons for not wanting to specify and will not tell you who they are because of this.

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    how did you do on the painting advanced,,,were you picking up this stuff? you seem to be doing well

    i was watching one of those antique daytime shows and the presenter was looking at a picture with the exact problem as yours,,,this is what he said,,

    the picture is maybe worth 4/5 hundred quid but it has a large shrapnel sized hole in it,,it would cost 2/3 hundred quid to fix up and if you add that onto the cost of buying the damaged picture there would be no profit left..

    so why not buy an antique clock face about 4/5 inches in diameter and have it mounted where the hole is by a professional picture restorer,this would also cost about 200 quid,,

    but then you would have an extremely rare antique clock picture wourth about £1500..

    food for thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by briana5125
    how did you do on the painting advanced,,,were you picking up this stuff? you seem to be doing well

    i was watching one of those antique daytime shows and the presenter was looking at a picture with the exact problem as yours,,,this is what he said,,

    the picture is maybe worth 4/5 hundred quid but it has a large shrapnel sized hole in it,,it would cost 2/3 hundred quid to fix up and if you add that onto the cost of buying the damaged picture there would be no profit left..

    so why not buy an antique clock face about 4/5 inches in diameter and have it mounted where the hole is by a professional picture restorer,this would also cost about 200 quid,,

    but then you would have an extremely rare antique clock picture worth about £1500..

    food for thought
    what a great idea.

    I have a 17th century table with a burn mark in it....... I could glue a plate to cover the mark up.

    I have an old mirror with the glass broken...........I could take a photograph of my self and cover the broken glass with it.

    Please put your ideas to make an antique more valuable and send it to "up the price" c/o briana5125 at SGB.com
    Last edited by antiqueman; 23/06/2010 at 08:55 AM.

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    dont blame me vanny,,,blame tim wonocote

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    Quote Originally Posted by briana5125
    how did you do on the painting advanced,,,were you picking up this stuff? you seem to be doing well

    i was watching one of those antique daytime shows and the presenter was looking at a picture with the exact problem as yours,,,this is what he said,,

    the picture is maybe worth 4/5 hundred quid but it has a large shrapnel sized hole in it,,it would cost 2/3 hundred quid to fix up and if you add that onto the cost of buying the damaged picture there would be no profit left..

    so why not buy an antique clock face about 4/5 inches in diameter and have it mounted where the hole is by a professional picture restorer,this would also cost about 200 quid,,

    but then you would have an extremely rare antique clock picture wourth about £1500..

    food for thought
    Maybe worth? At the end of the day it is said so many times, it is worth what somebody is willing to pay for it.

    With regard to this piece I thought it is of good quality and some people I have found funnily enough don't mind a painting with a huge "shrapnel" hole as you so elequantly put it. If the quality is there in the piece they can over look this and judge it on its own individual merits.

    I am doing fine - Where is your source I am doing well? Or in that fact where is your source that any fine art / antique dealer is doing "well".

    At the end of the day it is all swings and roundabouts and knowing where the most optimal place is of sale and if found is it worth the wait to sell it there.

    One example of this is I recently purchased a painting attributed to John Downman on the bay for sub £100 to my amazement!

    I took it into a auction and it is in there now with a estimate of £400 - £600, now if I was to put that back on the bay I would probably only realise around £250 tops.

    Vanny - I like your idea about making a useless bit of old tat into something tangible, if only everything was that simple.

    With regard to your idea about putting a photograph of you in a frame and re selling it, maybe if you signed the piece and gave added provenance it was done by you. Better still it may be more desirable if the picture inside the frame was of Jonathan Pratt and not you.

    Anyway how's dealing going for you in general briana5125, purchased many Rembrandt's recently?


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