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“If for any reason you want a bigger picture drawn for you - look at the voting from other EU member countries. There is a massive move against the EU. How many millions of people do you want to argue with before you become convinced?”
No there wasn’t! There was a massive swing away from the right in Europe. Most of the pro European parties had a good night with the exception of the Hungarian despot, but they’re struggling to find anyone to strike up a coalition with.
Unless of course your going to accuse the BBC of lying. European elections 2019: Power blocs lose grip on parliament https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48417744
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Originally Posted by Tentill4
Is the because back in 2016, we had a Peoples Vote and voted to leave?
It is because many people were deceived by the lies of Johnson, Gove and the rest. Even Farage conceded that the slogan on the red bus was false.
The land of milk and honey promised was a sham, as those losing jobs in steel and motor industries are realising.
If people want to be poorer let them decide now that facts have emerged.
Are Leavers frightened of being losers?
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Originally Posted by Nash
Are Leavers frightened of being losers?
Nope, the only people who were frightened, were the Remainers, that's why they've been fighting tooth and nail to get the decision overturned.
You say lies, I agree with that comment, but the lies were told on both sides. Even now, after the EU elections, the remainers are desperately trying to to say that they have more votes than the Brexit Party and that it indicates that we want to stay in the EU.
What a load of baloney, you can Diana Abbott what you like, but the remainers lost again.. :)
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Originally Posted by Nash
The best way to resolve the situation is for a Peoples Vote.
Ironically it is the Leave camp that argue it would not be democratic. What have they got to fear? The result?
If Remain win can we have best of three?
We could have Stone, Paper, Scissors!
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Yes you spell it like this,, "#Brexitloser" ROFLMAOAY
Originally Posted by Lorquinho
Yes, a pattern has emerged.
You have serious difficulties spelling the word remainers
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Originally Posted by EvilCapitalist
Yes you spell it like this,, "#Brexitloser" ROFLMAOAY
We'll all be Brextlosers, voting for or against it.
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There has only been one vote on Brexit, the original referendum. You can't genuinely says that all people voting Tory or Labour in the subsequent GE were pro-Brexit, there are just too many factors. The Euros were more telling, but there are still other factors at work. Brexit party got the most votes, but well below half the votes cast. One could argue back and forth as to whether that means Brexit would win a second referendum, all that seems certain - is that it would be a close call once again.
Even as a remainer, I have a hard time justifying the revokation of Article 50, I'd like the outcome, but it would be undemocratic and divisive. I think we've got to push on with it somehow.
One of the awkward things about the referendum is that there was very little discussion about the type of Brexit, and there seems to be a groundswell lately that leavers voted for 'no deal', they didn't, they just voted to "leave the EU".
I'm very worried about 'no deal', I think it's economic suicide. I don't see the sense in putting ourselves in a position where everyone in the world knows we need agree trade deals, where is our leverage in that? We will have to agree to relatively bad deals in order to trade at all.
On top of that: Who here has been impressed with our politicians over the last 3 years? Who trusts these politicians to negotiate trade deals? I wouldn't trust most of them to tie their own shoe laces. We're a country that hasn't negotiated a trade deal in 40-odd years, and we've got a bunch of imbeciles up against the likes of China, the EU and the US, who have been negotiating deals for decades. We're going to get mullered.
Finally, how about a sensible peoples vote? Three choices: No deal, Soft Brexit, Some middle of the road option akin to the Maybot's deal. Single-transferable vote.
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Originally Posted by JoeyCora
Finally, how about a sensible peoples vote?
The former Governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King stated that Britain would have nothing to fear from a NO DEAL Brexit and when it comes to Financial implications they don't come much more sensible than him. I'd rather believe him than the remoaners on here who think they know it all.
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Originally Posted by Nash
The best way to resolve the situation is for a Peoples Vote.
Ironically it is the Leave camp that argue it would not be democratic. What have they got to fear? The result?
And there’s me thinking we’d already had one in 2016
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Originally Posted by Tentill4
You say lies, I agree with that comment, but the lies were told on both sides. again.. :)
Though it was Leave that was referred by the Electoral Commission to the National Crime Agency regarding the source of their funds.
And the same suspicions have been raised about the Brexit Party.
Interesting how many Brexiteers are afraid of a Peoples Vote. We have just had another EU vote. Should we have stuck with the results of the last one?
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Originally Posted by Nash
Though it was Leave that was referred by the Electoral Commission to the National Crime Agency regarding the source of their funds.
And the same suspicions have been raised about the Brexit Party.
Interesting how many Brexiteers are afraid of a Peoples Vote. We have just had another EU vote. Should we have stuck with the results of the last one?
The EU elections are held on a set cycle if you want to learn more about it try this;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27187434
Its very simply written don't be afraid of it.
The EU referendum on the other hand was a "once in a lifetime vote" to which the Government promised to implement the result.
It was made very clear that we would be leaving the single market and customs union.
Further Article 50 the vote to implement it went through parliament with overwhelming support, they backed the government's European Union Bill, supported by the Labour leadership, by 498 votes to 114.
I know these things tend to be forgotten in the remoaner extremists fog of anti-democratic propoganda.
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Originally Posted by Little Londoner
The former Governor of the Bank of England Mervyn King stated that Britain would have nothing to fear from a NO DEAL Brexit and when it comes to Financial implications they don't come much more sensible than him. I'd rather believe him than the remoaners on here who think they know it all.
The same Mervyn King who failed to see the financial crash coming!
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Originally Posted by Nash
It is because many people were deceived by the lies of Johnson, Gove and the rest. Even Farage conceded that the slogan on the red bus was false.
The land of milk and honey promised was a sham, as those losing jobs in steel and motor industries are realising.
If people want to be poorer let them decide now that facts have emerged.
Are Leavers frightened of being losers?
Sorry to upset your mini rant but any promises the leave side made are still to be proven we are still in.
The job losses in the car and steel industry are nothing to do with the EU vote either after all its not decided yet and we could still remain.
They were simply building the wrong things and the EU Japan trade deals removed the reasons for being here.
We are unable to help the steel industry because of EU membership rules on state aid.
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-s...16-3?r=US&IR=T
The over supply in the steel industry worldwide is the problem.
Still its trendy to blame everything bad on Brexit although usually wrong.
Our biggest problem is the delay in implementing the referendum result.
The leavers are not frightened of being losers they won, its the losers who cannot take it.
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It does seem that Leaver lemmings should have gone to Specsavers.
They are blind to the problems that Brexit will cause, and many of the Tory dummies are advocating leaving the EU with No Deal.
If they are so confident that land of unicorns is just the other side of the cliff edge, why deny a Peoples Vote? They don't have to vote, after all less that 40% voted in the EU elections.
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