The Governments Downfall?

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Under WTO rules, subsidies are mainly applied to agricultural goods but the WTO exists to ensure the smooth trading of goods.

WTO anti-dumping and subsidies rules apply to all goods. The WTO was established to ensure fair trade between member countries.

" One country’s subsidies can hurt a domestic industry in an importing country. They can hurt rival exporters from another country when the two compete in third markets. And domestic subsidies in one country can hurt exporters trying to compete in the subsidizing country’s domestic market. If the Dispute Settlement Body rules that the subsidy does have an adverse effect, the subsidy must be withdrawn or its adverse effect must be removed."

Rather than immediately going to the WTO, if a member country believes that imports of specific goods are unfairly priced due to state subsidies, it will conduct its own investigation. If the investigation confirms this is the case. the importing country can slap countervailing duties on the offending goods. If the exporting country objects to the countervailing duties, it can then go to the WTO and ask them to investigate and make a ruling.

If you want to see an example of countervailing duties being slapped on, the WTO and other dispute settlement bodies either ruling for or against them, there's no better example than the Canada-US softwood lumber dispute. It's been going on since 1982. The latest WTO ruling was for Canada, so the US can't put countervailing tariffs on. They will wait a while then reintroduce them, and that's the way it's been for 48 years. Free trade deal notwithstanding, partners can still seek remedies for subsidies.

Why is that? Norway and Sweden have been managing fine with their borders for many years.

Norway has access to the single market, which also means it is subject to a number of EU laws.

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Why is that? Norway and Sweden have been managing fine with their borders for many years.

Dominic Raab:"All the UK is asking is to be treated like any other country. No other country would accept being bound by EU rules".


Except: Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein(EEA), Switzerland(EFTA), Turkey(C-Union)...
You know, the other non-EU European countries.

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Dominic Raab:"All the UK is asking is to be treated like any other country. No other country would accept being bound by EU rules".


Except: Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein(EEA), Switzerland(EFTA), Turkey(C-Union)...
You know, the other non-EU European countries.

Plus of course, any and every country in the world wishing to supply into the EU, will have to meet EU standards on safety, quality, components and even production methods, but we don’t need any of that

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The subtleties are lost.

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The subtleties are lost.

What subtleties would they be then?

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What subtleties would they be then?

Here's a few subtleties, from Twitter user @RussInCheshire, who outlines the week in the government on Fridays. He's given up today already. It's a long one:

1. In June Boris Johnson said to Black Lives Matter protestors: “I hear you”, and acknowledged the “incontrovertible, undeniable feeling of injustice” that “we simply cannot ignore”


2. So obviously, 40 Tory MPs refused to take part in unconscious bias training


3. The govt shut pubs an hour early, seemingly under the impression coronavirus (an inert, sub-microscopic infectious entity with no brain or nervous system) can tell the time


4. The govt demanded we all follow the rules


5. The govt exempted House Of Commons bars from the rules


6. Health Minister Helen Whately said “people who get drunk and leave the pub to keep on partying should remember their responsibility for the nation’s health”


7. Helen Whateley, who is *actually* responsible for the nation’s health, was sober when she said this. Presumably


8. After 6 months of world-leading “throwing apps in the bin but taking the cash anyway”, the govt finally proudly released an NHS Testing App


9. It didn't work with NHS tests


10. Or on 18% of phones


11. Or in Scotland or Northern Ireland


12. And a report said only 10% of the us will use it, cos we don’t trust Dominic Cummings with our data


13. Nor should we: the Data Commissioner said Cummings' proposed changes to privacy law will see the UK barred from sharing global data, and cost the UK economy "up to £80bn"


14. Meanwhile the promise of 500,000 tests per day won’t be reached because, in news that should shock nobody, the govt failed to order enough raw materials


15. So the govt stopped releasing evidence of how many are being tested, cos if you don't look at it, it isn't real


16. The govt, which only weeks ago was demanding we go back to work or all get sacked, now demands we all stay at home


17. Them the govt said the reason the UK had the worst Covid response AND worst economy in Europe is because we are “freedom-loving”


18. And then govt freedom-lovingly banned schools from using any materials that criticised capitalism


19. Not content with this, they also banned schools discussing “victim narratives”, which is going to make it tough to maintain their national anti-bullying strategy

20. And then a leaked report said the govt was planning to freedom-lovingly deploy the military on the streets


21. Meanwhile, the govt announced only 24% of businesses have done any preparation for Brexit, and only 30% of cross-channel HGVs have the correct paperwork


22. The govt finally admitted what they’d been told repeatedly since 2016, and said Brexit would create 2-day queues of 7000 lorries at Channel ports


23. 7000 lorries (at the average 16.5m each) is 1155km. That’s a queue over 700 miles long. Every day.


24. To solve this, the govt announced a new internal border in Kent, helpfully relocating 700 miles of queues to London, Essex, Surrey and East Sussex instead


25. A month ago, Tory MP Sir Edward Leigh was demanding we “take back” Calais. Now we’re essentially abandoning Kent.


26. Because we only had 4 years to plan for this, our lovely new border will start on 1 January and be controlled by software that – and you should probably open a second bottle around now - won’t be ready until at least 4 months later


27. Oh, and border checks won’t be ready in Northern Ireland either


28. But we might not have a problem anyway: it was revealed there are just 2000 EU haulage permits for our 40,000 UK hauliers. That’s 5% of what we need, for any Govt Ministers struggling with the maths


29. And we don’t even have enough pallets for the goods we import, cos we currently rely on a supply we share with the EU, and have neither the wood nor the treatment plants, nor the required chemicals to make and treat our own


30. So now the govt has to make a 200m border, a mechanism for policing it, an internal passport system, software, admin, buy 38,000 permits and grow enough trees for 700,000 pallets. In 3 months.


31. It had 5 months to add up some A-Level results, and that went swimmingly


32. I’m sure supply-and-demand won’t force prices sky high, cos it never does when you have 5% of the food the nation needs and a govt which boasts about breaking the law, but it was also announced tariffs will add £3.1bn to the nation’s food bill in Jan 2021


33. As a mark of confidence, Jim Ratcliffe, Britain’s richest man and a leading Brexiteer, buggered off to Monaco


34. And an unnamed minister was quoted: “We are stuck in a bind. If we try to cancel Brexit we destroy ourselves; if we go ahead with it we destroy the country”


35. The London School of Economics reported the long-term cost of Brexit will be 2-3 times the cost of Covid


36. So Rishi Sunak cancelled the budget, cos once again, if you don’t look at it, it doesn’t exist

37. JPMorgan shifted £200 billion out of the UK and into Germany calling it “a result of Brexit”.


38. At least 22% of our entire national economy depends on international banks based in the City of London, so when the largest one ****s off, it's a relaxing development


39. Theresa May said the govt’s bill to break international law is “reckless” and “risks the integrity of the United Kingdom”


40. The Attorney General, who takes an oath to parliament, the Queen and The Bar to observe the law, said she was “very proud” to be breaking the law


41. The UK is a signatory and legal guarantor of the Good Friday Agreement, which brought peace to the island of Ireland after 3600 violent deaths. The Attorney General, who is sworn to maintain peace, says Brexit will break the GFA, and she is “extremely proud” of that too.


42. Turns out, the advisory Professor who told her she should go ahead and break the law and endanger peace in Ireland is the partner of Michael Gove’s special advisor. It’s amazing, these coincidences. Almost as if they don’t want to listen to anybody else


43. Speaking of which, Boris Johnson’s old friend and unfailingly irrumating backer (google it) Charles Moore, who has spent his life demanding the end of the BBC, and said the BBC causes "human misery worthy of Dickens" (does he mean Mrs Brown's Boys?) is in line to run the BBC


44. And it was reported ex Daily Mail Editor Paul Dacre, who shouts c*unt so much his meetings are called “the vagina monologues”, and whose paper is banned as a Wiki reference cos it lies so often, is going to be put in charge of Ofcom: ensuring decent and honest broadcasting


45. Oh yeah, and Boris Johnson tweeted “a free press is vital in holding the government to account”, which is probably why the people holding his govt to account are being replaced with his mates and cheerleaders


46. Tory MP and successful conscience-donor Andrea Jenkins got paid £25k from a thinktank that doesn’t exist


47. And because no list is complete without a disturbing nocturnal visitation from the smirking angel of death, Priti Patel was accused of incitement to racial hatred


48. Whilst Patel, Jenkyns and the Attorney General were busy redefining “the party of Law and Order” the rest of the govt took a wild swing at “the party of fiscal responsibility”, when it was revealed the govt has wasted £3,895,556,000 since March.


49. This includes unsafe testing kits; face masks that don’t work; broken tracing systems; useless antibody tests; cancelled ventilator challenge; and inexplicable contracts to sweet manufacturers and dormant companies with no employees, to provide PPE that never arrived


50. The govt, which insisted schools and universities reopened, said it was now vital to lock down students and prevent them from mixing in large groups


51. And then the govt said it was sanctioning class sizes of up to 60 which ... remind me, is that more or fewer than 6?


52. Matt Hancock said “we’re giving up to 11,000 iPads to care homes to enable residents to connect with loved ones”


53. “Up to” is a bit telling, but even if it’s 11,000, there are 21,700 care homes in the UK. I guess they’ll just have to share. Goodbye forever, nana!


54. And finally, if you feel all alone in despairing at this: you aren’t. Belief in Britain as a “global force for good” has fallen 10% since 2019. I, for one, am shocked to the core.

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Toodles

Those subtleties have all subtlety of using a JCB to dig over the compost in your window box.

Sadly true and worrying, don’t know about One Nation Tories, this has the hallmarks of a one party nation.

Was hoping our resident Johnson cheer leader actually had something sensible to say, I won’t hold my breath in the meantime.

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Bless, it must be so frustrating sat at home still smarting.

It would all have been so much better under CORBYN ..............


Oh did I mention

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Bless, it must be so frustrating sat at home still smarting.

It would all have been so much better under CORBYN ..............


Oh did I mention

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How about answering the comments, if everything is so hunky dory you should be able to destroy all adverse comments, the truth is you can’t, fall back position sit on your corner crying Corbyn, who of course has sod all to do with the current farce, pathetic.

Absolutely hopeless.

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Bless, it must be so frustrating sat at home still smarting.

It would all have been so much better under CORBYN ..............


Oh did I mention

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Will you move on with the rest of us when in a few weeks we will be taking Gove or Rabb to task, you do have some catching up to do.

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How about answering the comments, if everything is so hunky dory you should be able to destroy all adverse comments, the truth is you can’t, fall back position sit on your corner crying Corbyn, who of course has sod all to do with the current farce, pathetic.

Absolutely hopeless.

He wants attention. Bless.

Bit like when the toddlers start kicking off. You can try and make sense of the tantrum, but it's usually simple frustration. I find it's better to ignore them.

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Will you move on with the rest of us when in a few weeks we will be taking Gove or Rabb to task, you do have some catching up to do.

No can't quite bring myself to forget that the most vocal critics of the government on here never wanted him in the first place and preferred Coooooooooooorrrrrrrrbbbbbbbbbbbyyyyyyyynnnnn


How can you take seriously anything they do or say when their judgment is so obviously flawed ?

I struggle I have to admit, most of these Boris Bashing posts are from people who are so wrapped up in themselves they cannot see the bigger picture.

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He wants attention. Bless.

Bit like when the toddlers start kicking off. You can try and make sense of the tantrum, but it's usually simple frustration. I find it's better to ignore them.

I wish you would CCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNNNN


Now then where's my bottle oh I know you nicked it ?

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I wish you would CCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNNNN


Now then where's my bottle oh I know you nicked it ?

Too childish for words, total rubbish, when you have something worthwhile to say will respond, until then forget it.

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Another little gem I read regarding the Brexit farce, without a comprehensive deal on leaving the EU, we also leave the sharing of information and data on criminals and terrorists, there is no seperate arrangement for this and we have made no attempt to make one, sounds like a good idea