Keir Starmer

[Alikado]

In 2009, former Top of the Pops host and Radio 1 DJ Jimmy Saville, who abused victims in NHS hospitals, including children as young as five, was arrested and interviewed under caution by Sussex Police. During the interview, it was alleged that Saville had abused three girls under the age of 16. The Police force referred four cases to Britain’s Crown Prosecution Service – headed by Kier Starmer, they were dropped because the service claimed there was “insufficient evidence”….His new found love for the Union Jack plus the fact he can’t stand to see the UK doing OK after Brexit and is desperate for the UK to fail is treacherous. Enough about Starmer, nobody in their right mind would vote for him.
The Labour Party, now run by middle-class, southern, infantile leftists, maybe about to change its mind on a whole bunch of stuff in order to try to win the next election. Anyone who falls for that should think again.

If they had proceeded with prosecutions there would have been an outcry about persecuting a public figure.
I don't think Labour is any different to other parties, they are all full of career politicians and chancers, it was far better in days of yore when we had conviction politicians who believed in what they were spouting not this lot who are only in it for lining their own pockets and the glory.

[sandGroundZero]

…they are all full of career politicians and chancers, it was far better in days of yore when we had conviction politicians who believed in what they were spouting … — post #95

Which "days of yore" would you be thinking of, Alikado?

…I do not recall any such golden age!

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https://fullfact.org/online/keir-sta...-jimmy-savile/

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If they had proceeded with prosecutions there would have been an outcry about persecuting a public figure.
I don't think Labour is any different to other parties, they are all full of career politicians and chancers, it was far better in days of yore when we had conviction politicians who believed in what they were spouting not this lot who are only in it for lining their own pockets and the glory.

When you look at many but not all members they have taken a considerable cut in income to be there.

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[U]Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. [/U/



You better give that to Boris he gets blamed for other's actions on here so regularly.

It goes with the job apparently even when you haven't actually done it.

I shall henceforth call it the Starmer defence, I wonder how long before I use it

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https://fullfact.org/online/keir-sta...-jimmy-savile/

As the head of that unit, surely he would have had the last word. But then again, as Head, it is so easy to fob the blame off on someone else.

Keir Starmer is still refusing to comment on his decision not to prosecute John Worboys for 75 further sex assaults. It falls to Guido to point out how extraordinary it is that a man with such a dire record as Director of Public Prosecutions is talked about as one of Labour’s best talents. The below could have ended his career several times over.

• Decided not to prosecute John Worboys for 75 sex assaults
• Yet spent four years failing to prosecute 23 Sun journalists
• Insisted on prosecuting Paul Chambers for making a light-hearted joke on social media (the infamous Twitter joke trial)
• Failed to build a case against Jimmy Savile and forced to apologise after being damned by report into failings
• Repeatedly championed the innocence of convicted murder who later admitted that he was actually guilty
• Failed to prosecute police officer who killed newspaper vendor Ian Tomlinson
• Ordered the CPS in Wales to drop the prosecution of a primary school teacher who had been accused of sexting a 16 year old boy, who went on to commit suicide
• Damning report into Starmer’s tenure at the CPS showed it was performing well below the necessary standard, with the report attributing part of the blame to a ‘overload of initiatives’ from the CPS’ national leadership
• Survey of CPS staff found that just 12% of them thought that the organisation was being well managed under Starmer’s leadership
• Accused of reopening a spurious sex abuse case involving a friend of Tom Watson – the accused was cleared in an hour
• Chose not to prosecute two doctors accused of carrying out abortions on grounds of gender

By clicking on the first word of each point - it will lead you to the links concerning that fact.

[sandGroundZero]

We can safely discount the armchair legal expertise opining on Sir Keir's time as DPP. The interesting question is: Does Starmer have the personality to impress the electorate.

But, why do his dry, measured public utterances matter anyway?

Prime Ministers (and for that matter Leaders of the Oppositon) in my lifetime have impressed, OR NOT! by dint of their public personna. Recent holders of that office have presided over spectacular failures, one way and another!

Are we asking too much? Or, too little?

[Hamble]

We can safely discount the armchair legal expertise opining on Sir Keir's time as DPP. The interesting question is: Does Starmer have the personality to impress the electorate.

But, why do his dry, measured public utterances matter anyway?

Prime Ministers (and for that matter Leaders of the Oppositon) in my lifetime have impressed, OR NOT! by dint of their public personna. Recent holders of that office have presided over spectacular failures, one way and another!



Labour need to find a leader les
Are we asking too much? Or, too little?

No.
Have you read his list of nicknames?
Not one would be mistaken for a fond thought.

[sandGroundZero]

The Labour leadership's team's intervention in the Liverpool mayoral contest appears to be another stumble! How many more before Labour MPs become restive?

Independent candidate Stephen Yip to run for Mayor of Liverpool

I have been struck over the last few weeks by the number of people calling for an independent mayor, and I believe an Independent would be in a much stronger position to bring people and parties together to help the city recover from this desperately serious situation.
Everyone who loves Liverpool is depressed and saddened by the way our politicians have let us down. We know we can do better, but it will need radical change, fresh ideas and people from outside the existing city council to fix what’s clearly broken.

________________________________________________________________________________________

Joanne Anderson and Anthony Lavelle
on the shortlist to be Labour's candidate for Mayor of Liverpool

Labour's two new prospective candidates, both Councillors, will need to enthuse many disgruntled local members. The Council had threatened to dispense with the Mayoralty altogether. The supplementary vote system¹ means Labour's candidate is NOT assured of success. How might an independent mayor fare with a Labour Council?


1. The supplementary vote system — Each voter lists both a first and second choice candidate. If no-one gets more than 50% of the vote the second choices are allocated to the top two candidates.

— Supplementary vote, Wikipedia

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In the short timespan of this thread Starmer has managed to fall behind which considering what we have been through is a miracle.
It isn't just his fault though his shadow cabinet are appalling.
Boris is lucky.

[sandGroundZero]

The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government's Robert Jenrick
…given an opportunity to embarrass the opposition seems to have had a good innings.


Keir Starmer & Steve Reed

Sir Keir's MHCLG shadow, Steve Reed, responded to the statement on the Liverpool City Council inspection report by giving his adversary his and the Labour Party's apparently unqualified agreement to Jenrick's proposal to install commissioners to oversee some thoroughgoing reforms in Liverpool's Council.

[Hamble]

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".......Political scientists call this “salience”, which is essentially just a fancy way of saying “how much do people give a flying one” when voting for a political party."

Flying the Union Jack on Gov buildings would cover the above.

"Under Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour Party’s aim is, in many ways, to get as close as possible to replicating the successes of the 2017 general election and to go one further by winning enough seats to form a government. That has been made easier, because not only have we left the EU, but immigration has fallen well down the list of voters’ concerns.

Most people no longer register it as a major issue. The long-term consequences of the pandemic and their importance may mean that it does not return as an election?shaping issue for years.

So one approach within the Labour Party is simply not to say very much on the topic of immigration: that has been the favoured strategy of the party thus far, even as the Conservatives bring forward yet more draconian measures, like Priti Patel’s plan this week to make it harder for some asylum seekers to stay in the UK, depending on how they got here. As far as the narrow question of managing public opinion on immigration is concerned, staying nothing makes strategic sense for Labour.

But what that approach misses is that our exit from the EU is also an opportunity for Labour. It could set out new positions on immigration which both go with the grain of public opinion and are more liberal than the Conservatives’ current position: for example, on making it easier for families to reunite across borders, allowing people living here and seeking asylum to work while they do so (at the moment, refugees aren’t allowed to seek work, which means they have to live off meagre government benefits and find it much harder to integrate).

Silence is a tempting strategy for Labour, because if you don’t say anything, you can’t be criticised, and the issue of immigration doesn’t look likely to shape the next election one way or the other.
But by adopting a few high-profile liberal positions on immigration, Starmer might find it easier to stick to his preferred tough positions on crime and criminal justice generally: he might well discover that Labour’s electoral interests are no longer served by trying desperately to change the subject."

Stephen Bush is political editor at ‘New Statesman’ magazine

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-p...i-patel-930276

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He does, but people who come from a working class background often work hard to look and sound the same as their peers.

Mmh. Daily Express:

The former human rights barrister is said to be a millionaire - although his Wikipedia page removed this fact ahead of his leadership launch.
According to Trend Celebs Now, Keir Starmer's net worth could be as high as £4million.
Meanwhile, the man he replaced, Mr Corbyn, has a net worth of £3million, according to Spear's Magazine.
Sir Keir’s family home in Kentish Town, North London, is worth an estimated £1.8million, according to The Telegraph.

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".......Political scientists call this “salience”, which is essentially just a fancy way of saying “how much do people give a flying one” when voting for a political party."


Yes, at present the UK is the only country in the World that allows illegal immigrants into the country and where it is also illegal for them to leave.

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Silence is a tempting strategy for Labour, because if you don’t say anything, you can’t be criticised, and the issue of immigration doesn’t look likely to shape the next election one way or the other.
But by adopting a few high-profile liberal positions on immigration, Starmer might find it easier to stick to his preferred tough positions on crime and criminal justice generally: he might well discover that Labour’s electoral interests are no longer served by trying desperately to change the subject."

Stephen Bush is political editor at ‘New Statesman’ magazine

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/labour-p...i-patel-930276[/QUOTE]

"Silence is a tempting strategy for Labour, because if you don’t say anything, you can’t be criticised, ..." One's silence is also looked upon as being in agreement with everything the Tories are doing.