Cycling : Another way of looking at it !

[The PNP]

A) Providing a dedicated network for me is a huge cost and a dreadful environmental one.

B) The cars are already here, putting them in queues is a fume filled disaster.

C) People are not going to put granny and the kids on the back of their bikes just for once look out not in, cyclists are a very small minority and will continue to be.

D) You always refer to you and your bike how about considering the wider costs to everyone else for a change.

E) Its like your killer stoves its all about you.

A) The new route is for everyone who wants to use it. In particular, for all those bike owners who drive because they feel unsafe riding in traffic.

B) Where have you been looking? Cars are already in queues...leaving more of them at home and cycling instead, reduces queues - not lengthens them.

C) Bikes will probably always be in the minority, because people are intrinsically lazy. However, getting bike use up from 3% to 30% of all journeys is perfectly possible - but only if the right infrastructure is there.

D) How about considering the wider cost to the planet of having all those millions of cars chugging about?

E) We do woodstoves, to provide customers with a viable carbon-neutral alternative to fossil-fuels like coal, oil and gas....fuels which thankfully are now being phased out.

[jamyramy]

A) The new route is for everyone who wants to use it. In particular, for all those bike owners who drive because they feel unsafe riding in traffic.

B) Where have you been looking? Cars are already in queues...leaving more of them at home and cycling instead, reduces queues - not lengthens them.

C) Bikes will probably always be in the minority, because people are intrinsically lazy. However, getting bike use up from 3% to 30% of all journeys is perfectly possible - but only if the right infrastructure is there.

D) How about considering the wider cost to the planet of having all those millions of cars chugging about?

E) We do woodstoves, to provide customers with a viable carbon-neutral alternative to fossil-fuels like coal, oil and gas....fuels which thankfully are now being phased out.

well maybe given the liesure growth in biking ,ironically by motorings majority community ,maybe there will be a mabe more aware and tolerant road usage.ps by the way you never answered my question as to road usaage perfection,just politico avoide it .matters not wether people adhere it .just your version of perfection was asked.

[The PNP]

well maybe given the liesure growth in biking ,ironically by motorings majority community ,maybe there will be a mabe more aware and tolerant road usage.ps by the way you never answered my question as to road usaage perfection,just politico avoide it .matters not wether people adhere it .just your version of perfection was asked.

When it comes to transport, I don't believe 100% 'perfection' exists anywhere, but the Dutch sometimes get closest to it.

Every form of transport is well catered for....Working from one side of the road to the other; first you have the pavement, separated by a kerb from the bike-path, which in turn is separated by kerbing from a car lane, separated with kerbing from a bus/tram lane, with a canal down the centre for boats. Then the same sequence again in mirror-image on the other side, i.e. bus/tram lane, car lane, bike-path and pavement - what's not to like?

[local]

A) The new route is for everyone who wants to use it. In particular, for all those bike owners who drive because they feel unsafe riding in traffic.

B) Where have you been looking? Cars are already in queues...leaving more of them at home and cycling instead, reduces queues - not lengthens them.

C) Bikes will probably always be in the minority, because people are intrinsically lazy. However, getting bike use up from 3% to 30% of all journeys is perfectly possible - but only if the right infrastructure is there.

D) How about considering the wider cost to the planet of having all those millions of cars chugging about?





E) We do woodstoves, to provide customers with a viable carbon-neutral alternative to fossil-fuels like coal, oil and gas....fuels which thankfully are now being phased out.

If you restrict cars and stand them in queues you increase pollution.

None of the journey I took yesterday would have been done by bike.

Laying tons of tarmac and concrete to divide roads is expensive and costly for the enviroment.

3-30% is a preposterous invention.

Woodstoves are not and never will be carbon neutral whilst operating they are polluting the planet and killing people.

The con men like you who flog them always miss out the environmental damage, the 30-40 year growth cycle,the transport of the fuel and not least they kill people with their pollution which is higher than old diesel vehicles which you run as well.

A true eco-hypocrite.

As always I can provide evidence.

[The PNP]

A) If you restrict cars and stand them in queues you increase pollution.

B) None of the journey I took yesterday would have been done by bike.

C) Laying tons of tarmac and concrete to divide roads is expensive and costly for the enviroment.

D) 3-30% is a preposterous invention.

E) Woodstoves are not and never will be carbon neutral whilst operating they are polluting the planet and killing people.

F) The con men like you who flog them always miss out the environmental damage, the 30-40 year growth cycle,the transport of the fuel and not least they kill people with their pollution which is higher than old diesel vehicles which you run as well.

A true eco-hypocrite.

As always I can provide evidence.

A) Not when people realise they can make local trips quicker by bike, bypassing existing traffic queues.

B) Bikes have their place for shorter tips, cars for long trips.

C) Any building work is a cost to the environment. However, cycle infra is a one-off cost - bikes don't wear out tarmac but cars quickly do.

D) 30%+ is reality elsewhere in Europe where the landscape is flat.

E) Disagree, unlike fossil-fuelled heating systems, they use a renewable fuel.

F) Sustainable forestry has been operating for many years, with plenty trees always ready for harvest. Transport of beef from Oz doesn't seem to be a concern for you as a brexiter, so what's wrong with logs from Scandinavia, a country which is located much closer to the UK? Fossil fuels emit C02 which permanently adds to the planets climate emergency, sustainably-fuelled woodstoves do not.

[Alikado]

If you restrict cars and stand them in queues you increase pollution.

None of the journey I took yesterday would have been done by bike.

Laying tons of tarmac and concrete to divide roads is expensive and costly for the enviroment.

3-30% is a preposterous invention.

Woodstoves are not and never will be carbon neutral whilst operating they are polluting the planet and killing people.

The con men like you who flog them always miss out the environmental damage, the 30-40 year growth cycle,the transport of the fuel and not least they kill people with their pollution which is higher than old diesel vehicles which you run as well.

A true eco-hypocrite.

As always I can provide evidence.

Cars are going to be restricted more & more until they are no longer viable, electric cars are a red herring they claim zero emissions but what are the emissions of creating the power they use and the impact on the environment of manufacturing and disposal of the batteries.

[local]

Cars are going to be restricted more & more until they are no longer viable, electric cars are a red herring they claim zero emissions but what are the emissions of creating the power they use and the impact on the environment of manufacturing and disposal of the batteries.

Creating the power with renewables.

[Alikado]

Creating the power with renewables.

But what is the cost of creating them.

[sandGroundZero]

Cars are going to be restricted more & more until they are no longer viable, electric cars are a red herring they claim zero emissions but what are the emissions of creating the power they use and the impact on the environment of manufacturing and disposal of the batteries.

But what is the cost of creating them.

Of course everything manufactured has a carbon footprint.

To digress for a moment: note the scorching temperatures being recorded in North America!

[The PNP]

To digress for a moment: note the scorching temperatures being recorded in North America!

Phew - too hot to trot! Having avoided a broiling here so far, we're not out of the woods yet.
I anticipate a UK heatwave with moorland fires etc, before Summer's over.

[silver fox]

When it comes to transport, I don't believe 100% 'perfection' exists anywhere, but the Dutch sometimes get closest to it.

Every form of transport is well catered for....Working from one side of the road to the other; first you have the pavement, separated by a kerb from the bike-path, which in turn is separated by kerbing from a car lane, separated with kerbing from a bus/tram lane, with a canal down the centre for boats. Then the same sequence again in mirror-image on the other side, i.e. bus/tram lane, car lane, bike-path and pavement - what's not to like?

Where the hell in Southport are you going to replicate your ideal? even without the canal that will be bigger than any out of town dual carriageway, bring in the demolition crews?

[The PNP]

Where the hell in Southport are you going to replicate your ideal? even without the canal that will be bigger than any out of town dual carriageway, bring in the demolition crews?

Jamyramy asked for 'perfection' in a road, I answered. Not saying we need that here, but it certainly would be great. Btw, if you think that's wide, I could have included strips containing parking bays interspersed with trees, between the bike paths and car lanes - bring on another 5 metres of additional width!

[silver fox]

Jamyramy asked for 'perfection' in a road, I answered. Not saying we need that here, but it certainly would be great. Btw, if you think that's wide, I could have included strips containing parking bays interspersed with trees, between the bike paths and car lanes - bring on another 5 metres of additional width!

You would certainly solve Southport’s traffic problem, as Southport is a linear town slapping that width through the town, wouldn’t be much left.

[The PNP]

You would certainly solve Southport’s traffic problem, as Southport is a linear town slapping that width through the town, wouldn’t be much left.

Probably true, but perfectly possible if planned out from the start in a new town. Let's not forget that streets like Lord St, were laid out with sufficient width for trams down the centre. Elsewhere, some of our main roads were lucky enough to have grass verges included between pavement and roadway - offering scope for cycles.

[silver fox]

Probably true, but perfectly possible if planned out from the start in a new town. Let's not forget that streets like Lord St, were laid out with sufficient width for trams down the centre. Elsewhere, some of our main roads were lucky enough to have grass verges included between pavement and roadway - offering scope for cycles.

Yeah let’s replace grass and trees with tarmac, brilliant idea