Typical Cyclist

[carliol]

If cyclists are allowed to run red lights there'd likely be an increase in cyclists hitting crossing pedestrians.

I presume you mean, allowed to filter left/right at a red light. It is not allowed unless there is a arrow, same as vehicles.
You would need to consult statistics elsewhere than GB to justify your speculation.

[The PNP]

If cyclists are allowed to run red lights there'd likely be an increase in cyclists hitting crossing pedestrians.

Agree....However, combined pedestrian and cyclist casualties will decrease where left-filtering is permitted. Not only that, the bottom line is more lives will be saved. Whilst a cyclist hitting a pedestrian is never a good thing, a left-turning car or artic hitting/crushing a cyclist invariably ends far worse.

It all depends on the type of junction. Where pedestrians have their own phase, you also need a cyclists phase controlled by a bike-button on/adjacent to the lights post. Or as you say, a bike could hit a crossing pedestrian.......At light-junctions where there is no pedestrian phase, a simple sign attached to the lights post permitting left-filtering is all that's required.

If you want to see left-filtering in action, take a look at Tarleton Lights. South-bound, there is a very short left-filter lane for traffic going left towards Rufford. It is not light-controlled and has a give-way line at the front. This allows vehicles (and cyclists) turning left, to blend in with cross-traffic, despite the rest of the southbound traffic having a red light....I have never had (or seen) any safety issues filtering there, whether driving or riding.

[gsgsgs]

If you want to see left-filtering in action, take a look at Tarleton Lights. South-bound, there is a very short left-filter lane for traffic going left towards Rufford. It is not light-controlled and has a give-way line at the front. This allows vehicles (and cyclists) turning left, to blend in with cross-traffic, despite the rest of the southbound traffic having a red light....I have never had (or seen) any safety issues filtering there, whether driving or riding.

Where do you mean? the left filter lane is light controlled?

[The PNP]

Where do you mean? the left filter lane is light controlled?

Thanks for pic, but that's not the junction I described.....The give way left-filter is on the main set of lights at the Windgate crossroads, several hundred yards closer to Southport. It's on the corner just by the small business park (where Q local once had their offices).

[gsgsgs]

Thanks for pic, but that's not the junction I described.....The give way left-filter is on the main set of lights at the Windgate crossroads, several hundred yards closer to Southport. It's on the corner just by the small business park (where Q local once had their offices).

Yes, sorry I was at the wrong place.

[The PNP]

Yes, sorry I was at the wrong place.

Understandable, since that pic is of a junction which came up earlier in the thread......If I knew how to post a pic from Google Streetview I would, but not faintest idea how.

[silver fox]

If you want to see left-filtering in action, take a look at Tarleton Lights. South-bound, there is a very short left-filter lane for traffic going left towards Rufford. It is not light-controlled and has a give-way line at the front. This allows vehicles (and cyclists) turning left, to blend in with cross-traffic, despite the rest of the southbound traffic having a red light....I have never had (or seen) any safety issues filtering there, whether driving or riding.

Never seen any issues at that junction, probably because it is almost entire drivers going through, never actually seen a cyclist at that junction, must be some presumably.

[gsgsgs]

Understandable, since that pic is of a junction which came up earlier in the thread......If I knew how to post a pic from Google Streetview I would, but not faintest idea how.

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[silver fox]

This isn’t some sort of competition, I for one would love to see cyclists with their own track, for two reasons, 1) safety, 2) keep them out of the hair of drivers, unfortunately this isn’t always possible without major demolition and reconstruction, the ideas of simply restricting drivers and giving priority to non existent cyclists is a total waste of time, in most cases far more detrimental than beneficial.

Probably a forlorn hope, but if everyone uses common sense and sticks to the laws, that alone should improve safety, the argument from the PNP based on the fact that contact between cyclists and vehicles, usually means cyclist coming second, but like it or not I see more idiotic antics from cyclists than drivers, the likeliest culprits are usually young males and sadly the Lycra clad wannabe Tour de France cyclist, the majority using the bike for transport just want to get about safely and don’t put themselves in hazardous situations.

[Desert Region]

Whilst a cyclist hitting a pedestrian is never a good thing, a left-turning car or artic hitting/crushing a cyclist invariably ends far worse.

You downplay a comment about a cyclist hitting a pedestrian by contrasting it to a cyclist being crushed by a car or artic. Back to the emphasis on the cyclist as victim, never really the perpetrator, and drivers as perpetrators, never really the victims.

You comment on road users as though via a Critical Race Theory style prism, where cyclists are the oppressed minority group, while drivers are the oppressor majority group.

That lumpy approach plays a part in why so many of your posts are disliked.

[gazaprop]

I was in Manchester, yesterday evening, delivering in my truck and I would be amazed if some of those Deliveroo idiots survive more than a couple of shifts!

Some of their stunts beggars belief.

[The PNP]

You downplay a comment about a cyclist hitting a pedestrian by contrasting it to a cyclist being crushed by a car or artic.

At a junction with no pedestrian button, pedestrians always cross at 90deegs to/walk warily in front of traffic waiting at a red. Hopefully, they will be looking out for bikes too, which as we know sometimes go through on a red. Actually allowing bikes to go through if turning left, will I accept result in a moderate increase of risk to pedestrians.

True, there will be the occasional additional ped v bike collision, that might not otherwise have happened. But if reducing overall casualty figures is the aim (which it should be). Then that occasional additional ped/bike collision must be weighed against the reduction in cyclists regularly being crushed/killed by left-turning traffic.

[silver fox]

True, there will probably be the occasional ped v bike collision, that might not have previously happened. But if reducing overall casualty figures is the aim (which it should be). Then that occasional ped/bike collision must be weighed against the reduction in cyclists regularly being crushed/killed by left-turning traffic.

Tell me, no explain to all of us just why cyclists insist on riding up the nearside of left turning traffic, because that’s were your crushed cyclists come from, don’t say, because they can.

[Desert Region]

Tell me, no explain to all of us just why cyclists insist on riding up the nearside of left turning traffic, because that’s were your crushed cyclists come from, don’t say, because they can.

I'll say it then: because they can.

[Steed]

At a junction with no pedestrian button, pedestrians always cross at 90deegs to/walk in front of traffic waiting at a red. Hopefully, they will be looking out for bikes, which as we know sometimes go through on a red. Actually allowing bikes to go through if turning left, will I accept result in a moderate increase of risk to pedestrians.

True, there will probably be the occasional ped v bike collision, that might not have previously happened. But if reducing overall casualty figures is the aim (which it should be). Then that occasional ped/bike collision must be weighed against the reduction in cyclists regularly being crushed/killed by left-turning traffic.

Here’s a novel idea, let’s all (drivers, cyclists and pedestrians) learn and adhere to the Highway Code which would have an immediate impact on casualty numbers.

Motorised vehicle riders / drivers have to pass a theory test based on the Highway Code before they can take their driving test also they have to comply with age restrictions.

In theory, cyclists have no age restrictions, do not have to undergo any training (practical or otherwise) to share the same space as motor vehicles.

Also with the amount of poor / dangerous riding being witnessed is it time to make a minimum of 3rd party insurance compulsory for all road users.