"Wise words" from a politician - perhaps not???

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Unfortunately, mother nature has not found a way of cleansing its air land or oceans.

Those seas full of plastic waste are building and if you ever have the misfortune to visit some of the smog-filled cities you would see for yourself.

It's not fear for me it's just the simple realisation that the world is getting ever increasingly dirty.

Global warming is I think a matter for significant debate as to the exact causes but I am utterly convinced we haven't improved it.

Whatever your beliefs why wouldn't you want even your immediate environment cleaner?

The whole of the UK is scruffy and dirty - you only have to go abroad to other countries and realise just how lax the laws are here. We also had really dense smogs in London, but they cleared - where do you think that pollution went to?

Plastics, whether you like it or not, will be around for many decades to come. But instead of banning it, it should be recycled to create fuel. It originates from the same chemicals as diesel and oil and if subjected plastic to pyrolysis, keeping the temperature low so there is less oxygen there would be less toxic less fumes.

The immediate environment should have laws where the stocks are re-introduced for lazy and ignorant dog owners.

[Styx]

Hmmm, from the same writer.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/...conspiracy-bob

That made me chuckle.

The Idiot Brain is a 2016 science book by Comedian and Neuroscientist Dr. Dean Burnett. The book was published in the United Kingdom by Faber and Faber. It was shortlisted for the 2016 Goodreads Best Science & Technology Book Award.

Think I will order a copy.

[Stuartli]

Plastics, whether you like it or not, will be around for many decades to come. But instead of banning it, it should be recycled to create fuel. It originates from the same chemicals as diesel and oil and if subjected plastic to pyrolysis, keeping the temperature low so there is less oxygen there would be less toxic less fumes.

Again your grammar speaks volumes...

Try studying the subject of plastics with more emphasis on all round analysis of details:

https://tinyurl.com/tfrsbwt6

[donkey22]

That made me chuckle.

The Idiot Brain is a 2016 science book by Comedian and Neuroscientist Dr. Dean Burnett. The book was published in the United Kingdom by Faber and Faber. It was shortlisted for the 2016 Goodreads Best Science & Technology Book Award.

Think I will order a copy.

After reading the first couple of paragraphs, to say I was somewhat taken aback by The Guardian printing this is an understatement! Then I came across the disclaimer. Shall be ordering a copy too.

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It's true we simply have a big hole for winter energy production.

Around and about wind turbines seem very frail things there are many around the town that have failed.


I am attracted to tidal but as our resident Professor alludes to, removing all that power will have an effect on the coastline.

Perhaps spacing out smaller ones would be the way.

[Alikado]

It's true we simply have a big hole for winter energy production.

Around and about wind turbines seem very frail things there are many around the town that have failed.


I am attracted to tidal but as our resident Professor alludes to, removing all that power will have an effect on the coastline.

Perhaps spacing out smaller ones would be the way.

The problem we have will be around for many years to come, there are no solutions for this winter. The current shortage is down to past Governments kicking the nuclear can down the road and not putting in place plans to replace the ageing ones, if they had been built we wouldn't be needing all the gas to generate the electricity.
A strategy is required to put renewables into every possible area not just looking at grand schemes which in theory will 'supply 100,000 homes'.
All Public Buildings, Offices, Libraries, Schools etc when having works / extensions / refurbs done should automatically have things such as Rainwater Harvesting, Wind Turbines, Solar Panels on the roof and Ground Source Heating installed, schools are ideally suited for these solutions and more widespread use would kickstart the industry.
All new housing developments should similarly have these sort of measures, insulation is now routinely installed when 40 - 50 years ago it was unheard of.
We need to look at harvesting energy which naturally occurs but is left to waste, Rivers and Streams with natural flow could have small generators attached, it may only supply enough for a handful of homes but it is a step in the right direction, similarly drains and sewers could be tapped into.
Nuclear and Tidal is thinking big but we also need to think small as well.

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"Wind Power will help to slash our Energy Bills" - proclaims Kwasi Kwarteng.
Does he not know that we already have more than enough turbines - But not enough wind?
This is why we should always have a back up or, alternatively, go begging to Russia or France (at extortionate prices) so that we can keep our heating on and our businesses operating.
Short of wind? Try putting a turbine outside Number 10 - Plenty of hot air generated there.
Still, it must be worth it - we are saving the planet?????

Solar panels and wind turbines cannot produce sufficient electricity to meet demand. That state of Texas tried to rely on these systems alone but suffered too many black outs to continue. The UK has began re-opening open cast mines and it is said that we have reserves of 78 million tons of coal to supply coal fired power stations.

The first geothermal plant has been introduced in the UK. Ice land has been relying on these for years and the cost is £100 per year per household. One geothermal plant produces 9.5GWatt which is said to be the equivalent of 9 Nuclear Power stations, sufficient to supply 20% of the UK's requirement.

Early claims should not be accepted as sacrosanct however, for such claims were made of solar and wind power, where more than 300 $billion was invested in it, but has proved to be far less efficient than first thought and far more expensive to all users.

Neither France nor Sweden use much solar/wind power, most of their electric supplies come from Nuclear and hydroelectric power. Germany does have far more solar/wind generated electricity, but it is backed by a huge number of coal fired electricity and Germany's household supplies are the most expensive in Europe.

The more solar panels and wind turbines there are in the UK, the greater the costs and the less economic they are. Both Wind and Solar generated electricity are not new - they were used in the UK in the late 1800's.

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Canada has been using hydroelectric power since the late 1800s. Which is why we refer to electricity as 'hydro'. 60% of our electricity is generated from moving water. I believe that we're the 2nd highest hydropower generator in the world.

[Stuartli]

Canada has been using hydroelectric power since the late 1800s. Which is why we refer to electricity as 'hydro'. 60% of our electricity is generated from moving water. I believe that we're the 2nd highest hydropower generator in the world.

When you think how far back we used water for industrial power purposes in Britain, it's surprising how little part it plays today in electricity supplies (between two and five per cent depending on source of information).

I use to visit the Bonnington hydropower station powered by the River Clyde at New Lanark and marvelled at the forces generated assisted, of course, by the fact that Scotland is rarely short of a good rainstorm or two.

The station is situated at New Lanark Mill where David Dale built cotton mills in 1786 powered by the Clyde waterfalls and where he also provided excellent accommodation for his employees. Dale had a short business relationship with Richard Arkwright; the village site is well maintained and welcomes visitors.

Worth a read:

https://tinyurl.com/emujz5v2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Lanark

[Alikado]

Solar panels and wind turbines cannot produce sufficient electricity to meet demand. That state of Texas tried to rely on these systems alone but suffered too many black outs to continue. The UK has began re-opening open cast mines and it is said that we have reserves of 78 million tons of coal to supply coal fired power stations.

The first geothermal plant has been introduced in the UK. Ice land has been relying on these for years and the cost is £100 per year per household. One geothermal plant produces 9.5GWatt which is said to be the equivalent of 9 Nuclear Power stations, sufficient to supply 20% of the UK's requirement.

Early claims should not be accepted as sacrosanct however, for such claims were made of solar and wind power, where more than 300 $billion was invested in it, but has proved to be far less efficient than first thought and far more expensive to all users.

Neither France nor Sweden use much solar/wind power, most of their electric supplies come from Nuclear and hydroelectric power. Germany does have far more solar/wind generated electricity, but it is backed by a huge number of coal fired electricity and Germany's household supplies are the most expensive in Europe.

The more solar panels and wind turbines there are in the UK, the greater the costs and the less economic they are. Both Wind and Solar generated electricity are not new - they were used in the UK in the late 1800's.

The UK is not really suitable for geothermal on a large scale, Iceland has active volcanoes so the hot water springs are a lot closer to the surface but there may yet be a use for all those disused mines in this country.

https://www.thinkgeoenergy.com/geoth...wnrock-energy/

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MygBegUIARCwAQ

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/20...ergy-resources

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Again your grammar speaks volumes...

Try studying the subject of plastics with more emphasis on all round analysis of details:

https://tinyurl.com/tfrsbwt6

It is unwise to advertise your ignorance, you have targeted the wrong person there bub - what would you like to know about petroleum based hydro-carbon molecules?

[Stuartli]

It is unwise to advertise your ignorance, you have targeted the wrong person there bub - what would you like to know about petroleum based hydro-carbon molecules?

A member of my family has forgotten more than you know (and that's not much in your case) about the world of plastics so, if you don't mind, I'll ask a genuine expert if I have any such need.

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The UK is not really suitable for geothermal on a large scale, Iceland has active volcanoes so the hot water springs are a lot closer to the surface but there may yet be a use for all those disused mines in this country.

https://www.thinkgeoenergy.com/geoth...wnrock-energy/

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...MygBegUIARCwAQ

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/20...ergy-resources

Thanks for the links - on a large scale, no -but as a support to other systems it does have to be used. The UK is too small a land area and is very much developed. Only certain areas of the UK can support this application

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A member of my family has forgotten more than you know (and that's not much in your case) about the world of plastics so, if you don't mind, I'll ask a genuine expert if I have any such need.

Words come so easy - prove it!

[local]

It is unwise to advertise your ignorance, you have targeted the wrong person there bub - what would you like to know about petroleum based hydro-carbon molecules?

Steady Prof some of us can rout out droppings at 50 yards.


You haven't covered yourself in glory with your pollution theories.