Johnson On The Ropes

[Desert Region]

I could vacuum my brain out and join the groupthink

You give heterodoxy a bad name.

[Desert Region]

By-election latest: Ex-Tory leader Lord Howard tells Boris Johnson to quit

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...boris-starmer/

Of course Boris should go. He's been a dead man walking for a while, now. I'm not particularly enthused by the prospective candidates to replace him, but Boris should have already resigned several times over.

[Alikado]

By-election latest: Ex-Tory leader Lord Howard tells Boris Johnson to quit

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...boris-starmer/

Of course Boris should go. He's been a dead man walking for a while, now. I'm not particularly enthused by the prospective candidates to replace him, but Boris should have already resigned several times over.

No, no, no, keep him in post until the next election then that will be Tory Party extinction.

[Desert Region]

We're here to discuss and debate. I'm happy to criticise any or all parties politically. But when you've one poster that is blindly defending the indefensible - although you may agree with him - then sure, threads will always go the same way.

Again you may agree or disagree, but the right is usually centred on 'self' whereas the left is concerned with the collective. Might be an over-simplification, but I'll take the superior morality. I'm more interested in kids being fed than the wealthy paying less tax.

For the many, not the few, as someone once said.

Of course people may agree or disagree. I think it's usually phrased as the right being centred on the individual, with the left concerned with the collective. Recently, I heard the view that nowadays a proportion of both the right and the left are ultimately concerned with their own 'self' in that the right seems to attract a disproportionate amount of psychopaths, while the left attracts a disproportionate amount of malignant narcissists.

[Desert Region]

No, no, no, keep him in post until the next election then that will be Tory Party extinction.

(N.B. That's Alikado's full post I'm replying to.)

And there's more desperate tribalism.

You regularly pretend to care about what's best for the country and for the people, but actually your hatred for the Tories far exceeds any concern for the population.

You've regularly bleated about the people suffering under Johnson but, working from that, it actually turns out you're happy to prolong people's suffering, and keep Johnson in his position of power, in order to maximise the prospect of the achievement of your personal Nirvana: the extinction of the Tories.

How timely.
I only just posted...

Of course people may agree or disagree. I think it's usually phrased as the right being centred on the individual, with the left concerned with the collective. Recently, I heard the view that nowadays a proportion of both the right and the left are ultimately concerned with their own 'self' in that the right seems to attract a disproportionate amount of psychopaths, while the left attracts a disproportionate amount of malignant narcissists.

[Toodles McGinty]

Of course people may agree or disagree. I think it's usually phrased as the right being centred on the individual, with the left concerned with the collective. Recently, I heard the view that nowadays a proportion of both the right and the left are ultimately concerned with their own 'self' in that the right seems to attract a disproportionate amount of psychopaths, while the left attracts a disproportionate amount of malignant narcissists.

As I said before, an over-simplification, but generally accurate.

I don't think I know any psychopaths personally, but I'd say our PM definitely has those traits. Mainly because I've read psychiatrists attributing those traits to him. Though only a fool or somebody supremely arrogant would attempt such a diagnosis simply on the evidence on a screen.

As for malignant narcissists, again, it's quite impossible to attribute that to an individual without witnessing behaviour IRL. It's quite a specific condition. Though as in the case of psychopaths, you could suspect.

I wouldn't attribute either to categorically left or right. I suspect both apply to either side, centre or those not politically inclined.

If you've a link to an article, I'd be interested to read it.

[Desert Region]

As I said before, an over-simplification, but generally accurate.

I don't think I know any psychopaths personally, but I'd say our PM definitely has those traits. Mainly because I've read psychiatrists attributing those traits to him. Though only a fool or somebody supremely arrogant would attempt such a diagnosis simply on the evidence on a screen.

As for malignant narcissists, again, it's quite impossible to attribute that to an individual without witnessing behaviour IRL. It's quite a specific condition. Though as in the case of psychopaths, you could suspect.

I wouldn't attribute either to categorically left or right. I suspect both apply to either side, centre or those not politically inclined.

If you've a link to an article, I'd be interested to read it.

When I've heard and read leading politicians regularly and countlessly referred to as psychopaths or psychopathic, etc, people typically haven't been citing medical reports while doing so. Similarly, the countless times, over the years, I've read and heard people describing Brexiteers as racist, xenophobic, thick, thick as pigsh*t, etc, people haven't worried themselves with needing any scientific basis for that. They just know they are and say so with the customary vitriolic confidence. Don't they?

[Desert Region]

Boris Johnson expects people will 'beat me up' after by-election losses - as he warns public of 'tough times' ahead

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...e-him-12639735


"We've got to listen, we've got to learn," he said...



When Sky's Beth Rigby asked why he would not "acknowledge you could be part of the problem with voters", the PM said: "I genuinely, genuinely don't think the way forward in British politics is to focus on the issues of personalities, whether they are mine or others."

[Toodles McGinty]

When I've heard and read leading politicians regularly and countlessly referred to as psychopaths or psychopathic, etc, people typically haven't been citing medical reports while doing so. Similarly, the countless times, over the years, I've read and heard people describing Brexiteers as racist, xenophobic, thick, thick as pigsh*t, etc, people haven't worried themselves with needing any scientific basis for that. They just know they are and say so with the customary vitriolic confidence. Don't they?

Yes. A bit like hearing remoaners, lefty losers etc for years isn't it. Throw in a few 'harridans' and 'have you been drinking again' style insults, all without any expertise on the effects of alcohol I assume, and it gets quite wearing. I would imagine.

Yet some have selective deafness. Don't they?

And blindness. For example, I've repeatedly said I'm not saying all Brexiteers are racist or stupid. But I bet all racists and idiots are Brexiteers. But some can't quite comprehend that subtle difference. I suppose admitting that the Leave contingent ran a strong campaign with the use of nudge theory and psyops simply passes some by.

Speaking of psychological conditions, I wonder if there's some 'wise saviour' syndrome, where folk swoop in unbidden to defend those poor souls they deem too witless to defend themselves? Leaping into a debate between two politically averse opponents, not for the content of the debate, but for some moral safeguarding issues of the one I can only assume they see as unable to speak for themselves?

Or perhaps it's just pity. Who knows?

I thought we had forum mods for that sort of thing.

I mean, I don't read them often as I've no interest in the subject, but I've never seen any self-appointed moral guardians on the cycling thread, where it often comes down to a whole bunch of motorists personally attacking one particular poster.

Just political threads. Quite takes the fun out of sparring with people who obviously enjoy the cut and thrust of debating each other, and who are both more than capable of defending themselves.

Doesn't it?

[Alikado]

(N.B. That's Alikado's full post I'm replying to.)

And there's more desperate tribalism.

You regularly pretend to care about what's best for the country and for the people, but actually your hatred for the Tories far exceeds any concern for the population.

You've regularly bleated about the people suffering under Johnson but, working from that, it actually turns out you're happy to prolong people's suffering, and keep Johnson in his position of power, in order to maximise the prospect of the achievement of your personal Nirvana: the extinction of the Tories.

How timely.
I only just posted...

Yes it will be the best for the country, never again will they and their friends be able to ransack the country and impose the suffering that this lot have.

[bensherman]

Instalment 298

He decided he needed a tree house at Chequers for his son.

This was to cost £150k. I know, we've all done it....

It being tricky to manage on £250k a year, he asked the peer who paid for his ludicrous wallpaper if he could help out. Despite all the fuss that created.Until the security services nixed it as they would not be able to protect it.

Total sum of lessons learned...nil

And this morning he told R4 it was his personality people want to change, and he wasn't going to do that. Well sort of right. It's YOU they want gone, mate.

BTW can we quit with the "Boris"? It only feeds the notion that this is a mischievous rascal, when in fact it is a psychopathic fool.

[bensherman]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...8df1fd40af700d

He's in his death throes.

[Toodles McGinty]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...8df1fd40af700d

He's in his death throes.

Hopefully.

'They were fed up of hearing a lot of conversations about me in relation to things they thought about stuff they thought I shouldn't have been doing'.

Not 'stuff that I shouldn't have been doing'. It's their impression of wrongdoing that's wrong here, apparently.

A bit like Patel's 'I'm sorry you felt that way'.

I don't agree with the sentence:

"he has become genuinely frightened of the chaos, division, unhappiness and potential for much worse that he has unleashed"

I don't believe he gives a toss. It's a telling article.

A narcissist and a psychopath. Not sure if he's mine or 'local's' twin...

[local]

You give heterodoxy a bad name.

I think the gymnastics to use the word has led you astray in your thinking.

[Desert Region]

I think the gymnastics to use the word has led you astray in your thinking.

I hadn't realised that words such as heterodoxy and orthodoxy were viewed as esoteric.