Brexit again

[local]

Is it suffering from some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder?

[sandGroundZero]

This kerfuffle about "intellectual arguments" is wrong. It will have been emotional responses that swayed most voters.

Disillusionment, resentment and anger at David Cameron & George Osborne's austerity along with broad, general disgruntlement at politicians and inadequacies of our political institutions will have prompted much of the LEAVE vote.

By the same token, disappointment and the emotional response therefrom will be driving the subsequent reaction and resulting the post-referendum polling numbers we are seeing.

[The PNP]

......disappointment and the emotional response therefrom will be driving the subsequent reaction and resulting in the post-referendum polling numbers we are seeing.

Which is not at all surprising, since if folk felt hard-done-by before Brexit, they're undoubtedly in a worse place now. The devalued post-Brexit £pound, savings eaten away by double-figure inflation, house prices wavering, mortgage woes, foodbanks everywhere, three dodgy PM's in a row, economic mismanagement, doctors strikes, rail strikes, shortages of goods, holiday holdups, boatloads of migrants arriving daily, 100,000+ awaiting asylum, the Portland barge farce and list goes on.

[Dirac]

This kerfuffle about "intellectual arguments" is wrong. It will have been emotional responses that swayed most voters.

Disillusionment, resentment and anger at David Cameron & George Osborne's austerity along with broad, general disgruntlement at politicians and inadequacies of our political institutions will have prompted much of the LEAVE vote.

By the same token, disappointment and the emotional response therefrom will be driving the subsequent reaction and resulting the post-referendum polling numbers we are seeing.

Which is a powerful argument against making momentous and far-reaching decisions by a single-question, simple majority referendum.

[Toodles McGinty]

This kerfuffle about "intellectual arguments" is wrong. It will have been emotional responses that swayed most voters.

Disillusionment, resentment and anger at David Cameron & George Osborne's austerity along with broad, general disgruntlement at politicians and inadequacies of our political institutions will have prompted much of the LEAVE vote.

By the same token, disappointment and the emotional response therefrom will be driving the subsequent reaction and resulting the post-referendum polling numbers we are seeing.

There were few 'intellectual arguments' disappointingly. There were scare stories and lies from one side, very litle response from the other.

It was sloganeering, fear-mongering and complete bull$h!t about 'sovereignty'. And as most of us on the 'remain' side predicted, lots of 'well we won't see the benefits until...' and 'eventually...'.

Which doesn't help those people suffering through it for the next 10 - 20 years until it's resolved, doesn't help those small businesses that have been vocal about the damage done to them.

Amazing really, that the same side that says 'we won't see the benefits until...it isn't over yet...'etc are the same that pipe up with 'it's done now, why are you discussing it' etc.

The Faragian 'look at the immigrants' argument has fallen flat, there are more than ever. There has been no 'Britain forging her own world-beating path', apart from us now desperately trying to broker deals with countries on the other side of the world that contribute little to our GDP, instead of the far more simple and economical dealing with countries across the Channel. Yes, we still trade with Europe, but on far less beneficial terms.

And frankly no matter how much the self-appointed 'winners' keep whining about it being 'done' in one breath and 'it's not done yet' in another, it's an issue that isn't going to go away. While Brexit affects our economy, which it always will, it isn't a matter that will be resolved.

As I said over 7 years ago, if Brexit works we all win. We'll all be financially better off. Our economy will be rosy. We'll all be glad that Brexit happens.

If not, we'll all be poorer, our economy will be worse off. We all lose.

Well, apart from those flag-shaggers with extremely SD-energy so desperate to feel like winners they'll cling on to any sign we haven't actually sunk entirely as a triumph.

So, anyone measurably better off yet?

[local]

I can only think a lot of the exhaustive debate was missed by some of the remain side

It's a shame they didn't make more effort.

It might have helped some of them accept and understand the result instead of constantly trying to run the winning side down.

It really wasn't just about a bus and Boris.

[Dirac]

There were few 'intellectual arguments' disappointingly. There were scare stories and lies from one side, very litle response from the other.

It was sloganeering, fear-mongering and complete bull$h!t about 'sovereignty'. And as most of us on the 'remain' side predicted, lots of 'well we won't see the benefits until...' and 'eventually...'.

Which doesn't help those people suffering through it for the next 10 - 20 years until it's resolved, doesn't help those small businesses that have been vocal about the damage done to them.

Amazing really, that the same side that says 'we won't see the benefits until...it isn't over yet...'etc are the same that pipe up with 'it's done now, why are you discussing it' etc.

The Faragian 'look at the immigrants' argument has fallen flat, there are more than ever. There has been no 'Britain forging her own world-beating path', apart from us now desperately trying to broker deals with countries on the other side of the world that contribute little to our GDP, instead of the far more simple and economical dealing with countries across the Channel. Yes, we still trade with Europe, but on far less beneficial terms.

And frankly no matter how much the self-appointed 'winners' keep whining about it being 'done' in one breath and 'it's not done yet' in another, it's an issue that isn't going to go away. While Brexit affects our economy, which it always will, it isn't a matter that will be resolved.

As I said over 7 years ago, if Brexit works we all win. We'll all be financially better off. Our economy will be rosy. We'll all be glad that Brexit happens.

If not, we'll all be poorer, our economy will be worse off. We all lose.

Well, apart from those flag-shaggers with extremely SD-energy so desperate to feel like winners they'll cling on to any sign we haven't actually sunk entirely as a triumph.

So, anyone measurably better off yet?

Yes, it's done, but we haven't really left yet, which is why it isn't working, but we can't possibly give the country a chance to put right an obvious, massive error because democracy stopped in 2016, despite one of the main leaders of the Leave cause having been proven to be a liar and a criminal.

I'm old enough to remember a long thread during which not a single person managed to come up with a Brexit Bonus that they had personally experienced.

Even the OBR estimates the whole country to be about 4% poorer than it would have been if we had stayed in the EU.

But - sovereignty! Control our borders! Forge massive new trade links!

How terminally stupid do you have to be not to see what a massive con Brexit was, and still is?

(That question will certainly be answered by at least one poster from my ignore list putting up a typically idiotic reply at some point.)

[sandGroundZero]

local's post #1011: "I can only think a lot of the exhaustive debate was missed by some of the remain side "It's a shame they didn't make more effort. "It might have helped some of them accept and understand the result instead of constantly trying to run the winning side down. "It really wasn't just about a bus and Boris."

…since you mention "a bus and Boris"
it is worth recalling the LEAVE side introduced the bus.

Why would that be?

[local]

Which is not at all surprising, since if folk felt hard-done-by before Brexit, they're undoubtedly in a worse place now. The devalued post-Brexit £pound, savings eaten away by double-figure inflation, house prices wavering, mortgage woes, foodbanks everywhere, three dodgy PM's in a row, economic mismanagement, doctors strikes, rail strikes, shortages of goods, holiday holdups, boatloads of migrants arriving daily, 100,000+ awaiting asylum, the Portland barge farce and list goes on.

So which of your list do you ascribe to Brexit?

[Dirac]

Michael Roux is closing his famous Le Gavroche restaurant. It was opened in 1967 and is world famous.

He said this in the Times -

[The PNP]

So which of your list do you ascribe to Brexit?

A pound to a penny, if we were still in the EU, Brexiters would have put all the above down to our EU membership. However, we left, remember. Now it's the turn of Remainers, to point the finger of blame for all our woes at Brexit!

[Dirac]

British Art Scene Feels Brexit Bite.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/ar...ls-brexit-bite

[Dirac]

Craft beer boom ends as more than 100 UK firms go bust


“It just got too much – Brexit,” Karjalainen said. “We were heavily geared for export. We’d be selling to Finland, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Netherlands, Italy, Spain. We had Hungary in the pipeline. And it all disappeared with Brexit.”
Post-Brexit trading arrangements with European Union countries meant that Bone Machine’s craft beers needed to be accompanied by expensive and time-consuming paperwork.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/202...ms-bust-brexit

[Styx]

Goods exports from the UK to the EU reached £16.9bn in May, the highest level since figures started in 1997.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-customer-left

[Dirac]

Goods exports from the UK to the EU reached £16.9bn in May, the highest level since figures started in 1997.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-customer-left

You might want to change your rather brilliant link - this is where it points.