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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
I hope so too.
We see quite a few old buildings either fall into disrepair or pulled down, then lots of lovely plans to build this and that in its place, then zilch.
I recall the flash new hotel and apartments that were supposed to be built on the site of the old Kingsway club. Still waiting. The wondrous new lagoon that is now supposed to be built half a mile down the road. The replacement for the Floral Hall seems to be happening, but I won't hold my breath until it's completed.
There have been a few success stories. The Vincent in place of the old cinema. The Grand taking up much of the old casino. But the building on the Prom that housed the new casino - now vacant - is a white elephant. Never fully utilised, now completely empty.
Fingers crossed that the plans for the old Debenhams store and the Garrick come to fruition. Or they'll end up like 'Leos', a rotting eyesore.
Sign of the times, I guess.
Sadly not just a sign of the times. There was the £40 million pound Winter Gardens development (now the current Morrison’s) which went tits up, one third of the way through it’s development back in the late eighties / early nineties.
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And there was me thinking Titsup was a village in the Peak District.
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Originally Posted by bensherman
Add to your list the building at the Morrisons end of Kings Gardens. I am pretty sure I have heard at least twice of plans to convert to a restaurant.
Oh yes, I'd forgotten that one. Wasn't it a pumping station or something like that?
And there's the old Victoria Baths. Beautiful building but boarded up for years. I recall going round the old nightclub a few years ago. A real mess inside. I'm surprised nobody took on the old 'Cue Bar' section, but I imagine it's in the same state now.
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Originally Posted by donkey22
Sadly not just a sign of the times. There was the £40 million pound Winter Gardens development (now the current Morrison’s) which went tits up, one third of the way through it’s development back in the late eighties / early nineties.
I can see the new theatre / conference centre going the same way.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
I can see the new theatre / conference centre going the same way.
Hope I'm wrong.
Might be more opportune actually. Conference centres have been closing all over the world since the onset of video conferencing. Far better to have a good live music theatre, an indoor circus or a decent ice skating rink with regular shows.
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[QUOTE=Toodles McGinty;6897241]Oh yes, I'd forgotten that one. Wasn't it a pumping station or something like that?
Been sold twice but Sefton sell to people that have not got a pot to p*** in and end taking it back.
Have a look at the survey and see what the biuiding needs doing to it.
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If it was, as I think, a water pumping station I don't think it would be Sefton's to sell.
In any event if it was theirs, and they didn't sell it, they would be attacked for that too.
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Originally Posted by bensherman
If it was, as I think, a water pumping station I don't think it would be Sefton's to sell.
In any event if it was theirs, and they didn't sell it, they would be attacked for that too.
It was a pumping station for drainage, I think it was also used by the Kings Gardens gardeners as well, the Council have had it on the 'disposal list' for many years, I believe that any proposal for the property that wouldn't cost the Council money would be welcomed with open arms.
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The owners of the Garrick have made, and are continuing with a planning application. It is a very large and lengthy application and they are waiting approval.
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DC/2023/00888
Proposed change of use to mixed use classes including: 12 No. residential units (C3), a hotel providing 109 No. rooms (C1) including a terrace and pool at 4th floor; various commercial units comprising food and drink (E (b)), spa/day spa (E(d)), event kiosk/box office and retail space (E(a)), a bar and restaurant (Sui Generis), refurbishment of the existing event auditorium (Sui Generis); the erection of a lift to the rear, roof top extensions including provision of 3 No. additional floors to the existing fly-tower, repairs to external fabric of the building, the erection of a canopy to the front elevation with and associated works.
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Then I don't follow how we knew about this 18-24 months ago.
And why nothing could be done internally in the mean time?
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Originally Posted by bensherman
Then I don't follow how we knew about this 18-24 months ago.
And why nothing could be done internally in the mean time?
It's a game, when you want to do a project that won't pass muster at the planning stage you submit a similar plan that will pass, then after delays and talk of collapse you submit amendments to get nearer to what you wanted.
Then start again if necessary
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