Coal Collecting Southport Beach.

[Desert Region]

Still scarred as a pedestrian doing the real thing in Amsterdam last week.

Sounds eventful!

[Hamble]

Sounds eventful!

We intended to book the cycle hire before travelling.
Amsterdam cycles stop by reversing pedal which go's against all one does automatically!
Other types were available not always near to collect.

Decided to wait and hire in person.
That was quickly dropped after walking in the city.

Hundreds of bikes Thousands parked everywhere.
Cyclists are very fast and of course opposite side of the road drive.
Cyclist lanes cross pavements have their own crossings alongside pedestrians sometimes confusing to remember when the lights change.
The majority do not wear helmets.

Even if you are on permanent stress alert cyclists still break rules cut you up when you think you have just to watch out for cars and vans.

Parks are no better they have the cyclists in lycra and hats and lean machines that go faster because they can.

Next time we go love to cycle in a more rural area.

Must say the Dutch people were very tolerant of us tourists trying to work out instructions calling out in English as they passed.

We have been to Amsterdam many times before in the past.
This time there are more people more bikes and road works construction sites tram lines just as in every growing City.

[Desert Region]

I still don't know what to believe.....On the one hand, a chap in Ainsdale that I've known for a good forty years, tells me categorically that 'local picks coal on the beach'. On the other is 'local', who at first denies doing so outright, then when challenged changes his story to; well it was only one piece and I threw it away afterwards.

He may indeed live a totally coal-free lifestyle, in which case good on him. However, he could equally well be harbouring a gloryhole-full of the stuff!

It turns out that in addition to gloryhole having another meaning, P'n'P has a different meaning, too.

We were watching a contemporary US show set in L.A. One of the characters explains that before setting up an account on a dating app called Flingr you need to be up on the lingo, and as an example informs that P'n'P means: "Party and Play, a.k.a. sex and drugs."

If the P'n'P organisation still existed and had a website or social media presence then it would be receiving some interested but then rapidly disappointed visitors.

[The PNP]

It turns out that in addition to gloryhole having another meaning, P'n'P has a different meaning, too.

We were watching a contemporary US show set in L.A. One of the characters explains that before setting up an account on a dating app called Flingr you need to be up on the lingo, and as an example informs that P'n'P means: "Party and Play, a.k.a. sex and drugs."

If the P'n'P organisation still existed and had a website or social media presence then it would be receiving some interested but then rapidly disappointed visitors.

LOL.....Thanks, that's a new one to me!

Btw, we're (most of us) still alive and well as a group. It's still possible to spot members out and about in their hi-viz P'n'P tops, when worn. Recruitment continues, e-mailshots continue, etc. A groups strength isn't in its website, it's in its people!

[local]

The eco-fraud does seem to have resiled from that let's say fanciful suggestion from his "friend"


He does tend to throw out chaff when exposed.

His constant witterings about the Netherlands did though prompt me to read about their horrendous traffic problems.

The system he champions is clearly an environmental disaster in the making.

So he has inadvertently educated me as to the terrible problems he probably didn't want anyone to know about.

Hopefully other cyclists will read for themselves about the traffic issues caused.

[The PNP]

...So he has inadvertently educated me as to the terrible problems he probably didn't want anyone to know about.

Hopefully other cyclists will read for themselves about the traffic issues caused.

The modal share for bikes in NL is at around ten times that of the UK......If all those Dutch bikes were cars instead, the congestion/CO2 emissions in NL would be a whole lot worse. By the same token, when the UK has created a similarly comprehensive network of quality cycleways, we would expect bikes here to increase their modal share by the same amount - thus reducing UK CO2 emissions by a similarly significant factor.

[Little Londoner]

We intended to book the cycle hire before travelling.
Amsterdam cycles stop by reversing pedal which go's against all one does automatically!
Other types were available not always near to collect.

Decided to wait and hire in person.
That was quickly dropped after walking in the city.

Hundreds of bikes Thousands parked everywhere.
Cyclists are very fast and of course opposite side of the road drive.
Cyclist lanes cross pavements have their own crossings alongside pedestrians sometimes confusing to remember when the lights change.
The majority do not wear helmets.

Even if you are on permanent stress alert cyclists still break rules cut you up when you think you have just to watch out for cars and vans.

Parks are no better they have the cyclists in lycra and hats and lean machines that go faster because they can.

Next time we go love to cycle in a more rural area.

Must say the Dutch people were very tolerant of us tourists trying to work out instructions calling out in English as they passed.

We have been to Amsterdam many times before in the past.
This time there are more people more bikes and road works construction sites tram lines just as in every growing City.

My brother lived in Holland and I used to visit regularly, he previously lived in Germany but owning a house in Germany was out of most peoples reach, as like Germany the Country was severely damaged by the War and rebuilt in a modern day layout with roads etc doing the same in the UK or even expecting it can be done is a pipe dream it's about time the dreaming stopped and he returned to reality.

[Desert Region]

LOL.....Thanks, that's a new one to me!

Btw, we're (most of us) still alive and well as a group. It's still possible to spot members out and about in their hi-viz P'n'P tops, when worn. Recruitment continues, e-mailshots continue, etc. A groups strength isn't in its website, it's in its people!

Can't say that I've any time recently spotted any cyclists sporting hi-viz P'n'P tops, and as encountering cyclists and their (often memorable) road habits is a comparatively rare experience compared to other traffic I feel as though I would have noticed these P'n'P tops. Was it this century or the previous that a cyclist last wore one of them?

I think you established on the Bedtime reading material on cycle lanes in Southport thread that the P'n'P group consists of you writing and sending letters plus someone else now and again pity-donating a book of stamps to you.

On your hobby of decades of lobbyist letter sending: it does seem odd that you insist on sending letters rather than emails. One way or another you do have it in for trees, don't you?!

But, anyway, it seems I've been unaware of satisfyingly steady passages of hi-viz P'n'P wearing cyclists. I'm sure the hi-vis tops existed and may have been worn at one time, but they've not a regular sight now, are they?


Looking into the P'n'P definition (from earlier)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_and_play

...I see that:

"Party and play (PnP), also called chemsex or wired play, is the consumption of drugs to facilitate or enhance sexual activity."

That could handily provide a new explanation to why there's an absence of sightings of these hi-viz P'n'P wearers. They don't want to be advertising that they're yet more riders who are cycling under the influence!




More on that PNP / PnP definition:

"The practice is nicknamed "party 'n' play" ("PNP" or "PnP") by some participants. Others refer to it as "high 'n' horny" ("HnH"). One academic study calls the practice "sexualized drug use" or SDU.^[6] The term PnP is commonly used by gay men^[1][ and other men who have sex with men (MSM) in North America and Australia."

[The PNP]

A) Can't say that I've any time recently spotted any cyclists sporting hi-viz P'n'P tops, and as encountering cyclists and their (often memorable) road habits is a comparatively rare experience compared to other traffic I feel as though I would have noticed these P'n'P tops. Was it this century or the previous that a cyclist last wore one of them?

But, anyway, it seems I've been unaware of satisfyingly steady passages of hi-viz P'n'P wearing cyclists. I'm sure the hi-vis tops existed and may have been worn at one time, but they've not a regular sight now, are they?

There were a couple of hundred produced and sent out to members free with one of our Newsletters. Whilst that was ten years ago if not more, I do keep an eye out for them and still make the occasional sighting.

[local]

The modal share for bikes in NL is at around ten times that of the UK......If all those Dutch bikes were cars instead, the congestion/CO2 emissions in NL would be a whole lot worse. By the same token, when the UK has created a similarly comprehensive network of quality cycleways, we would expect bikes here to increase their modal share by the same amount - thus reducing UK CO2 emissions by a similarly significant factor.

It's not the bikes that are the problem it is the lanes you want to put them in,

clearly the enactment of your wishes in a country built with very different street layouts often from a time of horses and carts would be an environmental catastrophe.

The evidence is there in the Netherlands now.





Far from reducing Co2 the gridlocked roads would be a retrograde step in reducing emissions.

[The PNP]

It's not the bikes that are the problem it is the lanes you want to put them in,

clearly the enactment of your wishes in a country built with very different street layouts often from a time of horses and carts would be an environmental catastrophe.

Yep. That's your problem, right there...Streets designed for horse and cart (and bike), that have since had mass motor traffic imposed on them!

[Stuartli]

Yep. That's your problem, right there...Streets designed for horse and cart (and bike), that have since had mass motor traffic imposed on them!

Your capacity for making the most crass, illogical comments never ceases to amaze.

[Desert Region]

There were a couple of hundred produced and sent out to members free with one of our Newsletters. Whilst that was ten years ago if not more, I do keep an eye out for them and still make the occasional sighting.

Even you don't wear one! You probably occasionally sight a bit of one sticking out at the back of your coat rack!

I'm sure it won't be long now before other forum posters mention about their recent sightings of hi-vis P'n'P topped cyclists...

Looking into the P'n'P definition (from earlier)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_and_play

...I see that:

"Party and play (PnP), also called chemsex or wired play, is the consumption of drugs to facilitate or enhance sexual activity.

If you ever try to start up Path 'n' Pedal again, you might consider changing its name to something without the drug associations, maybe something like...Saddles 'n' Mudguards - or S&M.

[The PNP]

Even you don't wear one! You probably occasionally sight a bit of one sticking out at the back of your coat rack!

I'm sure it won't be long now before other forum posters mention about their recent sightings of hi-vis P'n'P topped cyclists...




If you ever try to start up Path 'n' Pedal again, you might consider changing its name to something without the drug associations, maybe something like...Saddles 'n' Mudguards - or S&M.

P'n'P never stopped.......another major advantage of free lifetime membership.

[Desert Region]

P'n'P never stopped.......another major advantage of free lifetime membership.

Ha! No lapsed members because no-one had to pay any membership fees!

Just another obsolete organisation, with no website or social media presence and as relevant as a dodo, with an inactive 'membership' list, save for yourself and the person who donates your postage stamps to help fund your tree-unfriendly, letter-sending hobby!

As I say, you yourself don't even wear the retro hi-vis P'n'P top!