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Is antisemitism a major problem in the UK?
Antisemitism has become an issue in the media recently but, on a personal level, I've not witnessed acts of antisemitism apart from playground insults of calling someone a Jew to anyone refusing to share sweets in years gone by.
Have many of you experienced any incidents?
I must say that I have found Islamophobia to be far more prevalent especially since the downfall of the Shah of Iran in '79.
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Whilst I'm sure some anti semitism exists i know that if i had to be one or the other I'd much rather be a jew than a muslim in today's UK. The Labour anti semitism furore to me smacks as a media induced circus to divert attention from the growing tide of racism in other parts of the political spectrum.
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Originally Posted by birdbath
Antisemitism has become an issue in the media recently but, on a personal level, I've not witnessed acts of antisemitism apart from playground insults of calling someone a Jew to anyone refusing to share sweets in years gone by.
Have many of you experienced any incidents?
I must say that I have found Islamophobia to be far more prevalent especially since the downfall of the Shah of Iran in '79.
There was that insult in our playgrounds too. If you were seen as less than generous, you were a 'Jew'. If you said something less than sensible, it was 'that's Irish'. Every southern Asian was a 'P**i'. None were seen as particularly insulting, it was part of common speech. They weren't words spat out with vitriol. The 'N' word was only heard from our elders, but then only in the context of a certain shade of brown.
The only Jewish kid we knew was a boy who wore a yarmulke in school. Oddly enough, he wasn't singled out as different, it was understood that he just wore a cap because he was Jewish. The insult and the actual person didn't go together. Did we think Jewish people were 'tight'? I don't think it was even considered. No more than the cliche of a Scot being tightfisted. Pretty much as kids now will say 'that's gay', meaning something negative.
Of course we live in more enlightened times. That language back then was not seen as equivalent to spraying swastikas on a Jewish person's property, which was, and is, horrific. I don't know if there was a case of there was no offence meant behind the words. Not being Jewish, Asian, or Irish, we didn't think about it. WASP privilege, I suppose.
Is there more antisemitism now? I'd say yes, but I think there's more of every 'ism' or 'phobia' now. There's a growing culture of hating anybody different. I'd reckon there is far more Islamophobia than antisemitism, and most of the antisemitism is directed at Israel rather than the individual. But the rise of groups such as those who idolise 'Tommeh' Robinson, means anyone is fair game. Snowflakes, liberals, blacks, gays, Jews, Muslims. The list is endless. We are more enlightened in terms of language, but the list of targets is growing daily.
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Antisemitism is a major problem in France and Germany.
I hope people are not waiting until it reaches a major problem for you believe the rising antisemitism is real in the UK?
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Antisemitism is a major problem in France and Germany.
I hope people are not waiting until it reaches a major problem for you believe the rising antisemitism is real in the UK?
Hate and intolerance is already a major problem in the UK and it will get much worse after March 29th.
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Originally Posted by salus.populi
Whilst I'm sure some anti semitism exists i know that if i had to be one or the other I'd much rather be a jew than a muslim in today's UK. The Labour anti semitism furore to me smacks as a media induced circus to divert attention from the growing tide of racism in other parts of the political spectrum.
That is an odd thing to say as in the UK research shows the majority of antisemitism perpetrators were Muslim.
Figures also show there is no problem of anti Muslim attacks by Jews.
In fact racism against both Jews and Muslims other than from Islamic areas was from non Jews or Muslim's.
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Originally Posted by salus.populi
Hate and intolerance is already a major problem in the UK and it will get much worse after March 29th.
Not in my view the sooner we leave where the problem is rising the better.
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I've heard much talk about this 'anti semitism' but have yet to hear any detail about what form it has taken or is taking.
Is this because either - it falls under sub judice rules or the the whole thing, within the Labour Party, is so ethereal in nature as to pose real difficulty in trying to demonstrate it's existence.
I've had a look at the BBC's 'guide' to the furore and it seems to boil down to this -
Corbyn has attended events which could be viewed as supporting the enemies of Israel.
There was a disagreement on how a statement/definition should be worded.
Labour MP's have said things which either - could be construed as having a double meaning or - have been deliberately quoted out of context.
A Jewish female Labour MP has opposed Corbyn's leadership and, has then been challenged over her loyalty to him and the party - this has somehow fallen within the realm of anti semitism.
I may have missed something here but is that more or less what this 'institutionally anti semitic' claim boils down to?
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If pointing the finger gives you some sort of pleasure or feeling of superiority then carry on, but when it comes to the Tory Press no one is safe from victimisation if it improves the chances of more misery for Britain from a Tory government.
The only trouble being the gullible Mail readers believe every word.
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Originally Posted by Hamble
That is an odd thing to say as in the UK research shows the majority of antisemitism perpetrators were Muslim.
Figures also show there is no problem of anti Muslim attacks by Jews.
In fact racism against both Jews and Muslims other than from Islamic areas was from non Jews or Muslim's.
Arabs & Jews have been at each others throats for centuries, so some Islamaphobia & antisemitism are to be expected in those groups, what I find disgusting / disturbing is it coming from other groups with no axe to grind.
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Any form of discrimination should not be tolerated.
And anyone who discriminates is a waste of oxygen.
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Not in my view the sooner we leave where the problem is rising the better.
Do you think that leaving the EU will stem any tide of antisemitism in this country? How?
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
Do you think that leaving the EU will stem any tide of antisemitism in this country? How?
Not a chance, the only way to stop these things is reform from within, if you're not sat at the big table it is a waste of time shouting from the back.
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Originally Posted by Little Londoner
If pointing the finger gives you some sort of pleasure or feeling of superiority then carry on, but when it comes to the Tory Press no one is safe from victimisation if it improves the chances of more misery for Britain from a Tory government.
The only trouble being the gullible Mail readers believe every word.
Are they in the same club as the gullible Mirror and Guardian readers?
Not sure what adjective I should use to describe the Socialist Worker readers.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
Do you think that leaving the EU will stem any tide of antisemitism in this country? How?
Rather the opposite I think these radicals and bigots will become emboldened.
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