Getting rid of the 20mph limits by some councils

[The PNP]

Pipe-dream? Yet who would say no, when offered virtual 'ownership' of the street outside?

[SteveandLois]

Leave the main roads as-is and convert the rest.....Easily and cheaply done with a pair of box planters at either end, along with 'NO ENTRY' plates (residents, taxis & bikes excepted).

Are'nt you forgetting something "Mr Womble" How do refuse collection vehicles,and any emergency vehicles get into a road blocked with "A pair of Planters at either end"...Are you sure you're not sponsored by Andrex or similar ? For mopping up your convulsive Diarrhea from your mouth.

[The PNP]

Are'nt you forgetting something "Mr Womble" How do refuse collection vehicles,and any emergency vehicles get into a road blocked with "A pair of Planters at either end"...Are you sure you're not sponsored by Andrex or similar ? For mopping up your convulsive Diarrhea from your mouth.

Read my post again....Not 'blocked', simply thinned-down with a pair of planters to single vehicle width. Emy vehicles, delivery vans and bin-waggons can pass through as can residents cars, taxis and of course bikes.

[Alikado]

With so many quiet and safe streets about, I believe once folk saw it was safe to cycle, a proportion of that motor traffic would turn into bikes. At end of day, it would have to be done on a fair and democratic basis. Each street would be individually polled and no street converted against its residents wishes - what's not to like?

The problem with polling individual streets it would lead to fragmentation of the cycle route.
What we need is to create is more 'Play Streets' to get rid of the rat runs in the areas of schools not just outside the school gates.

[local]

Are'nt you forgetting something "Mr Womble" How do refuse collection vehicles,and any emergency vehicles get into a road blocked with "A pair of Planters at either end"...Are you sure you're not sponsored by Andrex or similar ? For mopping up your convulsive Diarrhea from your mouth.

Simple, bicycle couriers

[Alikado]

Are'nt you forgetting something "Mr Womble" How do refuse collection vehicles,and any emergency vehicles get into a road blocked with "A pair of Planters at either end"...Are you sure you're not sponsored by Andrex or similar ? For mopping up your convulsive Diarrhea from your mouth.

No streets get blocked off at both ends.

[The PNP]

The problem with polling individual streets it would lead to fragmentation of the cycle route.
What we need is to create is more 'Play Streets' to get rid of the rat runs in the areas of schools not just outside the school gates.

Yes, it could result in fragmentation, at least initially. But for this type of scheme to be truly welcome by a street's residents, it's necessary to get them on-side. When folk on streets who have declined, see how attractive the results are elsewhere, they may then change their mind.

[silver fox]

Yes, it could result in fragmentation, at least initially. But for this type of scheme to be truly welcome by a street's residents, it's necessary to get them on-side. When folk on streets who have declined, see how attractive the results are elsewhere, they may then change their mind.

OK, I live in a fairly normal residential area, to get to and from my home I use wholly or partially 4 different streets with 20 mph limits, 3 of the 4 are actually bus routes, 2 streets are definitely the only feeder routes to other streets, tell where would you propose putting your exclusion zones?

This idealistic notion of reclaiming the streets may sound attractive, but in the vast majority of cases completely divorced from reality, may work for a very limited number of streets, but this will certainly not create your fantasy land of cycle routes.

[The PNP]

OK, I live in a fairly normal residential area, to get to and from my home I use wholly or partially 4 different streets with 20 mph limits, 3 of the 4 are actually bus routes, 2 streets are definitely the only feeder routes to other streets, tell where would you propose putting your exclusion zones?

This idealistic notion of reclaiming the streets may sound attractive, but in the vast majority of cases completely divorced from reality, may work for a very limited number of streets, but this will certainly not create your fantasy land of cycle routes.

Whilst I'm sure it would work for many streets, you do have a point. E.g. how to gain motorised access to/from a street that's 'boxed-in' and surrounded by residents-only streets. Traffic planners would have to take that into consideration when designing the schemes, to ensure residents car access was maintained to all properties.

Btw, it's not just about 'bikes', it's about giving people back their streets. Turning them into safe pleasant places to be, free from through-traffic with all its associated risk and noise.

[silver fox]

Whilst I'm sure it would work for many streets, you do have a point. E.g. how to gain motorised access to/from a street that's 'boxed-in' and surrounded by residents-only streets. Traffic planners would have to take that into consideration when designing the schemes, to ensure residents car access was maintained to all properties. :)

Btw, it's not just about 'bikes', it's about giving people back their streets. Turning them into safe pleasant places to be, free from through-traffic with all its associated risk and noise. :)

As usual this all about your perverse wish to eliminate the private car at all costs, the problem for you and those who may think like you, the majority relish the freedom of travel that only the private car can deliver.

[Mr Saxon]

From Shore Rd to Carr Lane is 20mph, even the busses on that route exceed 20mph! Why, can anybody explain why Heathfield Rd is 20mph and its continuation onto Guildford Rd is 30mph ?

The correct term is "BUSES"

[local]

Are we having another spell of pedantitus

[horse]

As usual this all about your perverse wish to eliminate the private car at all costs, the problem for you and those who may think like you, the majority relish the freedom of travel that only the private car can deliver.

You can tell that with all the cars outside the new Sainsbury's and not one bicycle.

[bensherman]

I have never seen anyone being done for exceeding 20mph.

But I support it staying.

Because I think many motorists probably do 25-27 mindful of the limit whereas in a 30 road they may do 37-38. And I am glad of that.

I am also glad for the no entry into the Belmont-Duke section of Talbot St . It has greatly reduced speeds coming from Aughton Road whereas before people really accelerated before the Duke St junction.

Although there are a few every day who think the restriction does not apply to them.

[The PNP]

You can tell that with all the cars outside the new Sainsbury's and not one bicycle.

That might change this weekend, if it stays dry long enough!