The vaccine: Is it on the way, or not?

[Hector]

Bloomberg news reports:




'Oxford University Vaccine Trials Run Into Hurdle

The Oxford University team in charge of developing a coronavirus vaccine said a decline in the infection rate will make it increasingly difficult to prove whether ...(the vaccine works or not)'

With millions given by the British government to develop this, and more than a billion put in by the Americans, I really think these boffins should try harder!

[Lamparilla]

They are saying that the problem is due to the low infection rate making it difficult for those 'guinea pigs' given the vaccine to be exposed to the virus in their normal daily lives.

The answer, they said, is to expose the human guinea pigs to the virus in laboratory conditions, but there are ethical issues with this because they don't know how they will react to it and there is no cure available. If there was a cure available, this would solve the problem, but there isn't.

So, it's not a problem with the vaccine itself - it's a problem with how to test it effectively.

[Hector]

They are saying that the problem is due to the low infection rate making it difficult for those 'guinea pigs' given the vaccine to be exposed to the virus in their normal daily lives.

The answer, they said, is to expose the human guinea pigs to the virus in laboratory conditions, but there are ethical issues with this because they don't know how they will react to it and there is no cure available. If there was a cure available, this would solve the problem, but there isn't.

So, it's not a problem with the vaccine itself - it's a problem with how to test it effectively.

We know it's a testing problem. They have to find a way round this. That's the boffins' job. Don't take millions if you don't know what you are doing.

But let's look on the bright side. Maybe it will just go away, or weaken, as other diseases have done historically.

[Toodles McGinty]

Hope so, but I doubt it.

I get the feeling there will be a second wave of infection, because I think people are going to say 'sod this, why should I stay in' after the events of the weekend. So unfortunately, there may be enough test subjects after all.

I'm crossing my fingers that if somebody does come up with a vaccine, it will be made public property, and not for some huge pharmaceutical corporation to make a fat profit.

[Lamparilla]

I'm crossing my fingers that if somebody does come up with a vaccine, it will be made public property, and not for some huge pharmaceutical corporation to make a fat profit.

I saw an interview yesterday with one of the Oxford scientists. He said that the vaccine is going to be supplied on a 'not for profit' basis and will be about £2 per shot.

[Hector]

I saw an interview yesterday with one of the Oxford scientists. He said that the vaccine is going to be supplied on a 'not for profit' basis and will be about £2 per shot.

Fingers crossed. What else to do?

[Hector]

Hope so, but I doubt it.

I get the feeling there will be a second wave of infection, because I think people are going to say 'sod this, why should I stay in' after the events of the weekend. So unfortunately, there may be enough test subjects after all.

I'm crossing my fingers that if somebody does come up with a vaccine, it will be made public property, and not for some huge pharmaceutical corporation to make a fat profit.

Agree with you on the vaccine. But does the world work that way?

As to 'staying in': if we continue to lock the world down, millions will starve, millions will not be vaccinated against other diseases...etc., etc.

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Agree with you on the vaccine. But does the world work that way?

As to 'staying in': if we continue to lock the world down, millions will starve, millions will not be vaccinated against other diseases...etc., etc.

The lockdown should not have been applied. People should just go about their normal lives and if they contract it and survive then they would be building up immunity to even stronger strains of a virus in the future. With this particular strain, it is so mild - it did not warrant a lockdown. Those who have not survived this latest strain would not have survived even if they had caught a common cold.

Any vaccine that is now discovered for this particular outbreak, will not be effective for any later, stronger strain of the virus. A virus mutates. For every mutation a new vaccine would be required.

The Chinese nation introduced a new anti viral drug months ago in January for this virus and attempted to obtain a licence for it. The licence requirement was introduced in March. But the USA beat them to it.

Here is a list of the vaccine experiments:
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/...ers-cov-drugs/

[jamyramy]

The lockdown should not have been applied. People should just go about their normal lives and if they contract it and survive then they would be building up immunity to even stronger strains of a virus in the future. With this particular strain, it is so mild - it did not warrant a lockdown. Those who have not survived this latest strain would not have survived even if they had caught a common cold.

Any vaccine that is now discovered for this particular outbreak, will not be effective for any later, stronger strain of the virus. A virus mutates. For every mutation a new vaccine would be required.

The Chinese nation introduced a new anti viral drug months ago in January for this virus and attempted to obtain a licence for it. The licence requirement was introduced in March. But the USA beat them to it.

Here is a list of the vaccine experiments:
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/...ers-cov-drugs/

apparently the monkeys in the oxfords new breakthrough ,died horribly! funny but gates and fauci have plumbed millions into oxfords coffers,for our coffins.

[Toodles McGinty]

With this particular strain, it is so mild - it did not warrant a lockdown. Those who have not survived this latest strain would not have survived even if they had caught a common cold.

You really do write some utter bollocks.

[sandGroundZero]

Regarding "utter bollocks", …he's another advocate of cleansing the gene pool.

[seivad]

Hope so, but I doubt it.

I get the feeling there will be a second wave of infection, because I think people are going to say 'sod this, why should I stay in' after the events of the weekend. So unfortunately, there may be enough test subjects after all.

When we had the SARS outbreak, we had a second wave shortly after precautions were lifted. I can't remember how long it was after that before it disappeared. If my memory serves me correctly, since that time there have been no SARS cases anywhere in the world. I am hoping that the same thing happens with this virus.

[Toodles McGinty]

Regarding "utter bollocks", …he's another advocate of cleansing the gene pool.

Probably by eugenics, not Darwin Awards.

[Toodles McGinty]

I saw an interview yesterday with one of the Oxford scientists. He said that the vaccine is going to be supplied on a 'not for profit' basis and will be about £2 per shot.

That is good. Even for poorer countries that may be reasonable.

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The lockdown should not have been applied. People should just go about their normal lives and if they contract it and survive then they would be building up immunity to even stronger strains of a virus in the future. With this particular strain, it is so mild - it did not warrant a lockdown. Those who have not survived this latest strain would not have survived even if they had caught a common cold.

Any vaccine that is now discovered for this particular outbreak, will not be effective for any later, stronger strain of the virus. A virus mutates. For every mutation a new vaccine would be required.

The Chinese nation introduced a new anti viral drug months ago in January for this virus and attempted to obtain a licence for it. The licence requirement was introduced in March. But the USA beat them to it.

Here is a list of the vaccine experiments:
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/...ers-cov-drugs/

I accept he won't be the favourite example but Boris without medical intervention we are told would have died.

I am not nearly as qualified as you clearly but surely you don't think he would have died with the common cold ?

And a tad more technical question for you but how exactly do you build up immunity for a mutating virus.

I thought vaccines provided good protection against particular strains of virus but fail to protect against new or mutated strains.

Isn't this reason the flu vaccine has to be updated and given every year,

just asking.