On the 30th November 2021 Marie Cunningham was sadly killed along with her friend
Grace simply trying to cross Lulworth Road.

Their deaths have shocked residents in the area who have said that a crossing has been needed for some time and so with this in mind, as a family, we have engaged with Sefton Council and started a process to review the possibility of installing a pedestrian crossing to allow safe passage.

As part of this process it is important that this crossing request is supported by like minded people, so as a family, we are looking for your support. We are asking you to sign this petition so we can forward this as evidence to Sefton Council to show the need for change and protect pedestrians in the area.

The Council meeting is on Thursday 14th July, 2022 at 6.30 pm at the Town Hall, Southport

The petition is here:

https://form.jotform.com/220312246495350

My wife and I often walk in this area, and the speed they drive up and down Lulworth Road is frightening - no cameras. When the Weld road traffic lights change, it's like the start of a Grand Prix.

Originally Posted by Lamparilla

The petition is here:

https://form.jotform.com/220312246495350

My wife and I often walk in this area, and the speed they drive up and down Lulworth Road is frightening - no cameras. When the Weld road traffic lights change, it's like the start of a Grand Prix.

Thanks for the link.....

Re the traffic-lights 'Grand Prix'. Motorists who drive like that are either stupid - or have too much money! Because 'flooring it' from the lights, is one of the best ways to waste expensive fuel. Whereas gentle acceleration, along with keeping the revs down, is the best way to conserve fuel and keep emissions down.

Well, pedestrians are very poorly served by Southport Council. Kew Roundabout has no pedestrian provision. Meols Cop Station Bridge crossroads has no pedestrian provision.. And so it goes, And central government are no better. For example, the new Highway Code rule whereby drivers, turning at a junction, should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross has been totally ignored by EVERY driver I have seen. It's a joke! I deadly joke.

Originally Posted by Tunesmith

Well, pedestrians are very poorly served by Southport Council. Kew Roundabout has no pedestrian provision. Meols Cop Station Bridge crossroads has no pedestrian provision.. And so it goes, And central government are no better. For example, the new Highway Code rule whereby drivers, turning at a junction, should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross has been totally ignored by EVERY driver I have seen. It's a joke! I deadly joke.

TBQHWY, I have given way to quite a few peds in this situation, much to the disgust of ignorant drivers behind…..and surprised pedestrians…!
You’re quite correct, but I’d be careful of expressing your opinion on here, you risk being verbally abused by the anti active travel brigade. The recent consultation on the subject, resulted in a quite an eye opener as to some locals opinions. They seemed to think active travel meant ripping up drivists lanes and replacing them with cycle lanes, evidently most hadn’t actually read the consultation and just blatantly disagreed with every proposal.
Between Lord St and Hillside, there isn’t a single safe crossing point, despite the presence of many residential properties throughout that stretch of road. Putting in some crossings is urgently needed and welcomed, but there will be those that fight against it as it removes their freedom of uninterrupted travel. Watch this space…..

I agree with the above, I found it hard to believe that there was no pedestrian lights outside meols cop station so I have just been to have a look and there was not , I know there is a lollipop person there and further down Norwood avenue when the kids are coming out of school but generally I think there should be pedestrian lights there also. In hillside there is a zebra crossing both sides of the hill and outside the hillside station is a set of lights dedicated to pedestrians from the station and the schools but as you say unbelievably nothing between lord st and hillside. They spent all this money on stupid cycle lanes and neglected to put pedestrian lights at Weld and Grosvenor rd and there should be a few zebra crossings on that stretch as a lot of elderly live in places like Saxon rd and all along there really.

I totally agree and as a local I thought these places would or did have pedestrian lights and crossings but you learn something or realise something every day, I’ll sign this petition and hope the tragedy that these ladies fell victim to has a positive outcome and wakes people up to the need for pedestrian provisions especially where the elderly and children frequent.
I have no idea how you would make kew roundabout safer other than making cyclists walk around the outside of it and banning children from crossing anywhere near it, this place near schools ( and mixed with mc Donald’s ) is just an accident waiting to happen.
Not many will stop and give way to pedestrians waiting to cross a road but most will if they are turning into a road that pedestrians are already halfway across, law or no law.
But in general I agree yea.
And the recent consultation on cycle lanes determined that the vast majority opposed them and that included businesses and all members of society based on the fact that they would kill the town, it’s nothing personal it’s places like old and new businesses in the town want people to have somewhere to park, you can hardly turn up at the Vincent or the opening night of the Grand in bicycle clips.

Originally Posted by Lamparilla

The petition is here:

https://form.jotform.com/220312246495350

My wife and I often walk in this area, and the speed they drive up and down Lulworth Road is frightening - no cameras. When the Weld road traffic lights change, it's like the start of a Grand Prix.

Thanks for the link /petition signed X

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

They spent all this money on stupid cycle lanes and neglected to put pedestrian lights at Weld and Grosvenor rd and there should be a few zebra crossings on that stretch as a lot of elderly live in places like Saxon rd and all along there really.

They (Sefton Council) spent nothing on the recent cycle provisions. It was, as I've explained to you before, paid for by a grant from the Govt. Only way that cycle infra will cost Sefton, is if it's 'ripped up', because the grant funding would have to be repaid from Sefton's coffers. Also the cost of removal of infra would have to be paid for by Sefton....Added together that's quite a substantial sum to waste, which could pay for a couple of crossings.

you can hardly turn up at the Vincent or the opening night of the Grand in bicycle clips.

Now you're showing your age mate - bike clips went out with the Arc - lol!

Should have said spent all this free grant money on stupid cycle lanes then, I would be happy if they spent the next lot on pedestrian crossings and IF they have to pay back any money to rip up these mistakes of cycle lanes ( and I don’t think they will have to no matter what YOU say ) they would soon get it back in business rates and parking charges rather than places going out of business and parking spaces taken away.
I see you can still drive down Queens rd and people are still parking outside their properties over cycle lanes, makes a nonesense of that doesn't it.
I think you are fear mongering by suggesting the grant must be paid back if lanes cancelled, I don’t think this is the case and if it is the sooner the better the money will come back in parking charges and businesses staying open and the vast majority will think that voting actually means something in this town . But as YOU have said in your last posts there are no provisions for pedestrians between town and hillside, meols cop and kew and this is more important than cycle lanes .

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

But as YOU have said in your last posts there are no provisions for pedestrians between town and hillside, meols cop and kew and this is more important than cycle lanes .

It isn't an 'either or' situation, as there are no Govt grants for ped crossings as far as I know. They have to come from our Council Tax. Btw, last I heard was that ped crossings cost around £120,000 each.

I thought this free funding was to support pedestrians as well as cycle lanes so the small price that you imagine would be well spent, saying 120 k each is scare mongering but if it is that then so be it, we need a few for meols cop one for weld rd and Grosvenor Rd and a few zebra crossings from town to hillside. I think the two ladies and their families would agree. This would be an acceptable price to save the life of one elderly or one child and even better if this free gov funding was meant for it or is it all just for cyclists to have lanes to not ride on .

It seems like it will cost a lot of money to do anything you don’t want or reverse any mistakes that have been made against the will of the many, that are not working, badly planned and negligently maintained and not even legal .

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

I thought this free funding was to support pedestrians as well as cycle lanes so the small price that you imagine would be well spent

Well, the 'Liveable Neighbourhood' scheme would certainly have benefitted pedestrians living within the zone. Because keeping rat-runners out of their neighbourhood, would have meant roads within it being safer for young and old to cross.

I don’t mean to close off streets like Portland st and Sefton st and mess up the town further with this obvious nonesense, that would be ridiculous but the pedestrian lights and crossings in the places you have mentioned would be a realistic and much needed addition to road safety and may have saved lives if they had been implemented with the free funding rather than wasting it on fly by night lanes that nobody wants or roads closed to traffic that once re opened are very busy and well used and needed.
There’s a liveable neighbourhood and a nonesense neighbourhood and some can’t tell the difference . (Shh that means you ) .

Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY

I don’t mean to close off streets like Portland st and Sefton st and mess up the town further with this obvious nonesense, that would be ridiculous but the pedestrian lights and crossings in the places you have mentioned would be a realistic and much needed addition to road safety and may have saved lives if they had been implemented with the free funding rather than wasting it on fly by night lanes that nobody wants or roads closed to traffic that once re opened are very busy and well used and needed.
There’s a liveable neighbourhood and a nonesense neighbourhood and some can’t tell the difference . (Shh that means you ) .

Well, thanks to a small Facebook group of motorists (approx 700), it looks like that grant will be spent at the far end of the Formby bypass instead.....So little old ladies and young kids who inhabit/walk through the proposed 'Liveable' zone, will have to continue dodging the boy racers and rat-runners for the foreseeable. And we'll just live in hopes that none ever gets knocked down - duh!

The liveable zone was a bad plan and hopeless nonesense anyway, seeing the likes of Portland st with cycle lanes and side streets blocked off, a really stupid idea and if it was a Facebook group ( probably a mix of motorists, cyclists and pedestrians) that killed it then they did well. The point here is that crossings and crossing lights are much needed particularly in the places you / we mentioned and had they already been there they could have maybe saved lives.

If you don’t get what you want it looks like you foresee massive costs in paybacks and the children and elderly will die.